[Sugar-devel] Sugar-devel] Proposal: moving "assisting mentors" back to role for GSoC 2020

[Devin Ulibarri]

Hi,
I expect that the project "## Music Blocks Scale Degree vs n^th Modal P
itch" would be near impossible without my assistance. 
Also, my resume is never benefited thus far from any of these things. I
have never gotten a job from putting these things on a resume. The
"problem" is that I identify myself as a musician, and music career
jobs do not care to see GSoC on the resume.
At any rate, I am happy to help. In particular, I want to stamp out
this design issue as it is it seems to me to be the last big design
issue for all the basic functions of a visual programming language.
Devin
On Fri, 2020-03-13 at 09:27 -0400, Walter Bender wrote:
> I think it is not hard to judge who wants to mentor from passion vs
> something to put on a resume. Let's leave it to the project leaders
> to make those calls. That said, mentors should have demonstrable
> experience of relevant contributions.
> 
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:02 AM Samson Goddy 
> rg> wrote:
> > Hello everyone, 
> > 
> > The quicker we understand that Sugar Labs is an "educational
> > project," then the better for us, we have been battling on matters
> > that in "my opinion" is pointless.  That said, First, I don't
> > understand the whole point for labeling someone an "assistant
> > mentor," this is a community we need to be sensitive to what put
> > out there. First, I listed myself as an "assistant mentor" not
> > because I cannot code, but because I am focusing on the other part
> > of the "community" which is keeping things healthy and welcoming,
> > we are all volunteers, we should respect that fact. 
> > 
> > Honestly removing me from GSoC because of "expect the previous
> > assistant mentors to either promote themselves to the position of
> > mentor by showing their expertise or be content with participation
> > within the wider Sugar Labs community." At the same time, I can
> > easily prove that by sending PRs, I don't think the same applies to
> > folks that cannot code, again I wasn't born in the 80s, but I am
> > sure in 2020, there is more aspect to software than just coding.
> > Let us stop doing things that will drive folks away; everyone is
> > important.
> > 
> > 
> > I am not an org admin; I grew up with Sugar, correctly understand
> > how Sugar was created but chose to focus primarily on something
> > that will keep "Sugar Labs" healthy. I don't see how having extra
> > folks into a project as "mentors" will hurt the student
> > performance. It gives the student a more broad knowledge of what to
> > do to make the project usable, maintainable, and scalable. 
> > 
> > 
> > We have more important things to focus on than argue about
> > assistant mentorship.
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:23 PM Lionel Laské 
> > om> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Hi James,
> > > 
> > > Thanks for this.
> > > 
> > > I think that assisting mentor notion has no sense.
> > > We need to have one mentor that lead the project with some co-
> > > mentors to supply him when/if he's unavailable. Each mentor could
> > > ask help or advice to other members of the community if needed,
> > > we don't need to identify these guys as "Assisting mentor". 
> > > 
> > > As Stephanie said in the thread you mention: "Unfortunately some
> > > people want to be a mentor because they think it will look good
> > > on their resume, these are not the folks you want to be mentoring
> > > students.". I'm afraid it's the same thing with "Assisting
> > > mentor".
> > > 
> > > Regards.
> > > 
> > >           Lionel.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Le ven. 13 mars 2020 à 08:31, 
> > > s.org> a écrit :
> > > > 
> > > > Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 16:55:16 +1100
> > > > From: James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org>
> > > > To: sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > > Subject: [Sugar-devel] Proposal: moving "assisting mentors"
> > > > back to
> > > >         the community role for GSoC 2020
> > > > Message-ID: <20200313055516.GM28657 at laptop.org>
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > > > 
> > > > Walter and I are your organisation administrators for GSoC
> > > > 2020.
> > > > 
> > > > On the GSoc Mentors mailing list from 8th March and still going
> > > > is a
> > > > thread "Deadline to invite mentors" which morphed into the
> > > > expertise
> > > > required of mentors to do a project [1].
> > > > 
> > > > After putting forward the Sugar Labs compromise practice of
> > > > "coding
> > > > mentors" and "assistant mentors", there has been both criticism
> > > > and
> > > > support for the practice from other organisation
> > > > administrators.  The
> > > > criticism has been voluminous and well stated.  The support
> > > > comparatively muted.
> > > > 
> > > > I'd like to hear what the Sugar Labs community thinks now.
> > > > 
> > > > The effect of the change [2] can be seen here [3].
> > > > 
> > > > In implementing the change we would;
> > > > 
> > > > - require _all_ project communication to be carried out in the
> > > > open,
> > > >   on GitHub, mailing list, or IRC,
> > > > 
> > > > - expect the previous assistant mentors to either promote
> > > > themselves
> > > >   to the position of mentor by showing their expertise, or be
> > > > content
> > > >   with participation within the wider Sugar Labs community.
> > > > 
> > > > - remove from the dashboard the previous assistant mentors who
> > > > are no
> > > >   longer listed against a project,
> > > > 
> > > > What do you think?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > References:
> > > > 
> > > > 1.  https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-summer-of-code-men
> > > > tors-
> > > > list/CAJzXzVEkw%2BOT6nSXvTraNaNqNdR6h0mbjFtaejJcUnueU4YX4Q%40ma
> > > > il.gmail.com
> > > > 
> > > > 2.  https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/pull/94
> > > > 
> > > > 3.  https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/tree/simplify
> > > > 
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