[Sugar-devel] Sugar-devel] Proposal: moving "assisting mentors" back to role for GSoC 2020

[Walter Bender]

I think it is not hard to judge who wants to mentor from passion vs
something to put on a resume. Let's leave it to the project leaders to make
those calls. That said, mentors should have demonstrable experience of
relevant contributions.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:02 AM Samson Goddy <samsongoddy at sugarlabs.org>
wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> The quicker we understand that Sugar Labs is an "educational project,"
> then the better for us, we have been battling on matters that in "my
> opinion" is pointless.  That said, First, I don't understand the whole
> point for labeling someone an "assistant mentor," this is a community we
> need to be sensitive to what put out there. First, I listed myself as an
> "assistant mentor" not because I cannot code, but because I am focusing on
> the other part of the "community" which is keeping things healthy and
> welcoming, we are all volunteers, we should respect that fact.
>
> Honestly removing me from GSoC because of "expect the previous assistant
> mentors to either promote themselves to the position of mentor by showing
> their expertise or be content with participation within the wider Sugar
> Labs community." At the same time, I can easily prove that by sending PRs,
> I don't think the same applies to folks that cannot code, again I wasn't
> born in the 80s, but I am sure in 2020, there is more aspect to software
> than just coding. Let us stop doing things that will drive folks away;
> everyone is important.
>
>
> I am not an org admin; I grew up with Sugar, correctly understand how
> Sugar was created but chose to focus primarily on something that will keep
> "Sugar Labs" healthy. I don't see how having extra folks into a project as
> "mentors" will hurt the student performance. It gives the student a more
> broad knowledge of what to do to make the project usable, maintainable, and
> scalable.
>
>
> We have more important things to focus on than argue about assistant
> mentorship.
>
> Regards
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:23 PM Lionel Laské <lionel.laske at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi James,
>>
>> Thanks for this.
>>
>> I think that assisting mentor notion has no sense.
>> We need to have one mentor that lead the project with some co-mentors to
>> supply him when/if he's unavailable. Each mentor could ask help or advice
>> to other members of the community if needed, we don't need to identify
>> these guys as "Assisting mentor".
>>
>> As Stephanie said in the thread you mention: "Unfortunately some people
>> want to be a mentor because they think it will look good on their resume,
>> these are not the folks you want to be mentoring students.". I'm afraid
>> it's the same thing with "Assisting mentor".
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>>           Lionel.
>>
>>
>> Le ven. 13 mars 2020 à 08:31, <sugar-devel-request at lists.sugarlabs.org>
>> a écrit :
>>
>>>
>>> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 16:55:16 +1100
>>> From: James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org>
>>> To: sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>> Subject: [Sugar-devel] Proposal: moving "assisting mentors" back to
>>>         the community role for GSoC 2020
>>> Message-ID: <20200313055516.GM28657 at laptop.org>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>
>>> Walter and I are your organisation administrators for GSoC 2020.
>>>
>>> On the GSoc Mentors mailing list from 8th March and still going is a
>>> thread "Deadline to invite mentors" which morphed into the expertise
>>> required of mentors to do a project [1].
>>>
>>> After putting forward the Sugar Labs compromise practice of "coding
>>> mentors" and "assistant mentors", there has been both criticism and
>>> support for the practice from other organisation administrators.  The
>>> criticism has been voluminous and well stated.  The support
>>> comparatively muted.
>>>
>>> I'd like to hear what the Sugar Labs community thinks now.
>>>
>>> The effect of the change [2] can be seen here [3].
>>>
>>> In implementing the change we would;
>>>
>>> - require _all_ project communication to be carried out in the open,
>>>   on GitHub, mailing list, or IRC,
>>>
>>> - expect the previous assistant mentors to either promote themselves
>>>   to the position of mentor by showing their expertise, or be content
>>>   with participation within the wider Sugar Labs community.
>>>
>>> - remove from the dashboard the previous assistant mentors who are no
>>>   longer listed against a project,
>>>
>>> What do you think?
>>>
>>>
>>> References:
>>>
>>> 1.
>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/CAJzXzVEkw%2BOT6nSXvTraNaNqNdR6h0mbjFtaejJcUnueU4YX4Q%40mail.gmail.com
>>>
>>> 2.  https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/pull/94
>>>
>>> 3.  https://github.com/sugarlabs/GSoC/tree/simplify
>>>
>>> --
>>> James Cameron
>>> http://quozl.netrek.org/
>>>
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