[Sugar-devel] Proposal to move communication to other platform

[Bottersnike]

>Quassel core is a server that keeps the backlog.  I don't need my
>computer on, and I can view the backlog from any device.

Without being rude, most people don't have a spare server lying around they
can spin up an IRC backlog on, especially not people interested in reading
backlogged messages from *before* they joined the IRC for the first time.

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 7:59 PM James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org> wrote:

> Thanks for your thoughts.
>
> Quassel core is a server that keeps the backlog.  I don't need my
> computer on, and I can view the backlog from any device.
>
> Yes, there are better onboarding experiences.
>
> However, if people want to talk with us, they'll know where to find
> us.  We're here to get the job done, not provide better experiences
> for developers.
>
> We do still get students who can use IRC, so I know it is not a
> significant hindrance.
>
> On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 07:46:10PM +0000, Bottersnike wrote:
> > I think one of the main issues with IRC is the onboarding experience, or
> rather
> > lack thereof. For new users, they're faced with an entirely blank
> screen, with
> > no trivial way to search for past questions, see if a topic has been
> brought up
> > before, or even just read through history to get a general idea of the
> way the
> > organization operates. Sure, there may be archives maintained, but for
> someone
> > who has just discovered SugarLabs and wants to contribute, that really
> isn't
> > going to be a viable solution, because it takes significant effort to
> hunt them
> > down and search through them. For established teams, this isn't much of
> an
> > issue, but it can make SugarLabs an incredibly daunting organization for
> young
> > students from, say GCI, or people looking around at different
> organizations for
> > GSoC.
> >
> > > I use Quassel, as it keeps backlog.
> >
> > Most clients keep a backlog, but only if your computer is on. That's not
> the
> > situation 24/7 for a lot of people.
> >
> > (Sorry for the double message, James. I accidentally used Reply not
> Reply All)
> >
> > On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 7:15 PM James Cameron <[1]quozl at laptop.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >     Thanks for asking.
> >
> >     For real-time presence messaging, please use IRC channel #sugar on
> >     [2]freenode.net.  Your choice of client.  I use Quassel, as it keeps
> >     backlog.
> >
> >     For store and forward messaging, please use the mailing list.  Your
> >     choice of client.
> >
> >     You'll get a voice on choice of tools once you've been working with
> us
> >     for a few months.  Until then we can't trust that you've assessed the
> >     situation accurately.
> >
> >     Gitter.im was yet another attempt to split our community into the
> >     haves and the have-nots.  I'm almost ready to ditch my account there
> >     because it has way less benefit than the cost.  Of receiving a mail
> >     notification, logging in, and answering the same old questions.  It
> is
> >     quite boring.  You can see that if you look through the previous
> >     discussion, which you'll find was entirely sporadic; someone
> >     has a question, I answer, nothing else happens.  It could have been
> >     done in mail.  It costs so much memory and screen real-estate that I
> >     can't see myself staying connected.  I certainly don't want it
> >     promoted for Sugar Labs, but I'm willing to keep it available in case
> >     it turns out to be useful for working with anyone who can't figure
> out
> >     how to use IRC.  We must allow for the possibility that someone with
> a
> >     disability has been given access to Gitter.im but not to IRC.  So a
> >     matter of inclusiveness, but not emphasis.
> >
> >     On Wed, Mar 04, 2020 at 08:03:31PM +0530, Prashant Sengar wrote:
> >     > Hi,
> >     >
> >     > I am sure this request must have been raised earlier as well. I
> wanted to
> >     ask
> >     > if Sugar could create a communication channel on another platform
> such as
> >     a
> >     > discord server, Slack or Telegram instead of IRC to make
> communication
> >     easier.
> >     >
> >     > The reason why others will be a better option:
> >     > 1. The chats will be accessible even if I am offline for a while,
> unlike
> >     IRC
> >     > where I cannot see any earlier data.
> >     > 2. IRC cannot be used on mobile devices, so it creates a barrier in
> >     > communication. On the other hand, the other chat applications are
> >     available on
> >     > all platforms for everyone to use.
> >     >
> >     > I would like to request the team to please consider this request.
> If such
> >     > request has been made earlier and denied due to some reasons, then
> I
> >     would like
> >     > to know them so that I can understand the reasons and work
> accordingly.
> >     >
> >     > Regards.
> >     > Prashant Sengar
> >
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> >
> >     --
> >     James Cameron
> >     [5]http://quozl.netrek.org/
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> >
> > References:
> >
> > [1] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > [2] http://freenode.net/
> > [3] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [4] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > [5] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > [6] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > [7] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>
> --
> James Cameron
> http://quozl.netrek.org/
>
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