[Sugar-devel] Proposal to move communication to other platform

[Prashant Sengar]

Hi Alex,

Yes I have used IRC before and I still don't really like it. I have tried
and used multiple IRC chat apps on my Android device and none of them
worked stably. I completely understand your reasons of not using other
platforms and I had read the few reasons mentioned in the docs.

As per suggestions, I will keep trying to learn more about IRC and get more
familiar with it.

Thanks for your response.

Prashant Sengar


On Wed, Mar 4, 2020, 11:37 PM Alex Perez <aperez at alexperez.com> wrote:

> Prashant,
>
> We also offer our own Sugar Labs specific IRC chat gateway, at
> http://chat.sugarlabs.org:9090/
>
> I'd like to understand more fully why you believe IRC is hard for you to
> use. Is it hard because you've never used it before? Is it hard because you
> have no familiarity with it? IRC can absolutely be used on mobile devices,
> and this basic misunderstanding shows me that you're not particularly
> familiar with some basic IRC facts, nor have you bothered to open your
> mobile phone up, go to the app store, and type "IRC" in to the search
> field. Which mobile platform are you using? Android? iOS? If you tell us,
> we can recommend some clients for you.
>
> The issue of loss-of-state when you're disconnected from IRC is a known
> problem for 25+ years, and many ways to address it have been developed over
> that period of time.  There are IRC bouncers, web-based IRC clients, and
> all sorts of other solutions to these problems, if you can be bothered to
> search for them, instead of assuming that no solution exists, which is
> sorta what seems to have happened here.
>
> There are several reasons why we don't use Slack, Discord, or other
> proprietary messaging systems, which I'm not going to get into the details
> of here, but since they are corporate owned-and-operated pieces of
> infrastructure, they may or may not exist in the future.
>
> The primary problem with using Gitter is that it requires you to have a
> GitHub account, and has no other authentication mechanism. Developers are
> not the only people we care about, and IRC is accessible to all, and is
> fundamentally democratic.
>
> Prashant Sengar <prashantsengar5 at gmail.com>
> March 4, 2020 at 6:33 AM
> Hi,
>
> I am sure this request must have been raised earlier as well. I wanted to
> ask if Sugar could create a communication channel on another platform such
> as a discord server, Slack or Telegram instead of IRC to make communication
> easier.
>
> The reason why others will be a better option:
> 1. The chats will be accessible even if I am offline for a while, unlike
> IRC where I cannot see any earlier data.
> 2. IRC cannot be used on mobile devices, so it creates a barrier in
> communication. On the other hand, the other chat applications are available
> on all platforms for everyone to use.
>
> I would like to request the team to please consider this request. If such
> request has been made earlier and denied due to some reasons, then I would
> like to know them so that I can understand the reasons and work accordingly.
>
> Regards.
> Prashant Sengar
>
>
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