[Sugar-devel] Sugar on Debian 10 (Buster)?
Jeff Elkner
jeff.elkner at gmail.com
Thu May 16 08:48:28 EDT 2019
OK, progress. Pressing F6 lets me select the Desktop, but activities
are not showing (see screenshot). In the instant that the Desktop
displayed before switching to the journal, I saw at least 4
activities.
I'd also like to check-in that what I am doing is useful to the
community, and that we are on the same page. Here are my assumed
goals:
1. Raspberry Pi's running Raspbian (with Debian desktops in general as
a wonderful side effect) as the target platform.
2. A *truly* beginner friendly installation recipe that leads to a
working Sugar desktop on Raspbian.
Once we have that available, I could begin to promote Sugar as a
learning platform within my school district, developing OER
educational curricula for it.
I feel like we have a timely opportunity. Python has won the day, and
after years (I started using Python in 1999) of being somewhat of a
pariah within my school system for my insistence on teaching with it,
I now actually look prescient and am sought after for advice. So if
we can get a working system together, I think I could round up both
students and staff to contribute, helping to grow the Sugar community.
Cheers,
Jeff
Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 8:24 AM James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
>
> It's a problem with Metacity, which is ignoring the Journal's request
> to be iconified.
>
> Press the F3 key.
>
> Or press the F6 key then click on the home view icon.
>
> Or put the mouse on the edge (difficult in a typical VM).
>
> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 08:08:26AM -0400, Jeff Elkner wrote:
> > Hi James and Alex,
> >
> > I've setup a VM with Sid and ran:
> >
> > $ sudo apt install sugar sucrose lightdm
> >
> > which gave me the same problem I had on testing - I only see the
> > journal and can't find the main Sugar desktop window (note: I did see
> > it flash briefly on the screen before it disappeared).
> >
> > I've attached two package_list files that come from running:
> >
> > $ dpkg -l | grep sugar > package_llst.txt
> >
> > and
> >
> > $ dpkg -l | grep sucrose > package_llst2.txt
> >
> > Please let me know what I should do next.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> > Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
> > On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 12:48 AM James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > python-sugar3_0.112-3 has migrated to testing just now.
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 10:56:03AM -0700, Alex Perez wrote:
> > > > Jeff,
> > > >
> > > > Most, if not all, of the Sugar-specific bugs that are present in Debian
> > > > should be fixed if you use the "0.112-3" (the 3 is critically important)
> > > > Debian packages from the _unstable_ Debian repo. They have not yet been
> > > > promoted to testing, and will likely not be included in Debian 10 when it is
> > > > released, as it is late in the package freeze process.
> > > >
> > > > So, you have a few options here...the easiest thing to do would be to run an
> > > > entire "unstable" install of Debian, since you will get these packages by
> > > > default, but otherwise, you have to configure Apt with the unstable repo,
> > > > and then use package pinning. This is documented at https://serverfault.com/questions/371383/install-whitelist-of-packages-using-unstable-in-debian.
> > > >
> > > > See https://packages.debian.org/buster/sucrose for a list of these packages,
> > > > and https://wiki.debian.org/DebianUnstable#Installation can explain how to
> > > > enable the unstable apt repo on a stable or testing install.
> > > >
> > > > This may also be of use https://serverfault.com/questions/22414/how-can-i-run-debian-stable-but-install-some-packages-from-testing
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Elkner wrote on 5/15/19 9:54 AM:
> > > > > Great to meet you (virtually), Alex and James. I'm a high school /
> > > > > community college teacher in Arlington, Virginia who was an early
> > > > > member of the OLPC community here in the DC area. I run Debian in my
> > > > > classroom and would very much be interested in using the Sugar desktop
> > > > > to work on that platform. It doesn't currently seem to work. I don't
> > > > > have the capacity to fix it myself, but I can provide reliable testing
> > > > > and feedback in an educational setting should that be of use to you.
> > > > > I'm hoping to rejoin the Sugar community once it is in a state where
> > > > > it can be used both in my classroom and on Raspberry Pi's.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > Jeff Elkner
> > > > > Arlington Career Center
> > > > > Arlington, VA
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, May 15, 2019 at 12:39 PM Samson Goddy <samsongoddy at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Hello Alex and James,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess you both miss this thread. Can you please guide Jeff on how to get started?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, May 10, 2019, 8:14 AM Jeff Elkner <jeff.elkner at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Dear Sugar Labs Devs,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am a high school / community college computer science teacher in
> > > > > > > Arlington Virginia who was an active member of the OLPC project for
> > > > > > > years and who would like to rejoin the community.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am convinced being able to run the Sugar desktop on the same
> > > > > > > underlying OS (Debian) as Raspbian uses is the key to that working for
> > > > > > > me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I tried creating a basic buster install and then running:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > $ sudo apt install sugar sucrose lightdm
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The result is not a usable Sugar installation. I am most eager to
> > > > > > > participate as a tester, power user, and curriculum developer, but I
> > > > > > > need to start with a working system.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeff Elkner
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > James Cameron
> > > http://quozl.netrek.org/
>
> > ii gir1.2-sugarext-1.0 0.112-3 amd64 Sugar Learning Platform - toolkit GObject introspection
> > ii libsugarext-data 0.112-3 all Sugar Learning Platform - toolkit common files
> > ii libsugarext0:amd64 0.112-3 amd64 Sugar Learning Platform - toolkit runtime library
> > ii python-sugar3 0.112-3 all Sugar Learning Platform - toolkit Python bindings
> > ii sugar-browse-activity 203-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - web browsing activity
> > ii sugar-calculate-activity 45-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - calculation activity
> > ii sugar-chat-activity 85-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - text chatting activity
> > ii sugar-icon-theme 0.112-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - icon theme
> > ii sugar-imageviewer-activity 64-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - image viewing activity
> > ii sugar-jukebox-activity 34-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - music jukebox activity
> > ii sugar-log-activity 39-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - log viewing and reporting activity
> > ii sugar-pippy-activity 72~dfsg-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - Python programming activity
> > ii sugar-read-activity 121-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - document viewer activity
> > ii sugar-session 0.112-6 all Sugar Learning Platform - window manager
> > ii sugar-terminal-activity 45.4-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - terminal emulation activity
> > ii sugar-themes 0.112-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - artwork
> > ii sugar-write-activity 100-1 all Sugar Learning Platform - writing activity
>
>
> > ii sucrose 0.112-6 all Sugar Learning Platform - Sucrose
>
>
> --
> James Cameron
> http://quozl.netrek.org/
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