[Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities
Dave Crossland
dave at lab6.com
Wed Jan 23 19:39:00 EST 2019
Thanks for clarifying; I'd misunderstood 😂
On Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 7:29 PM James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org wrote:
> No, thanks! What my time can accomplish was given only as an
> indication of the size of the solved part of the overall problem.
>
> OLPC continues to pay me to work on our education solution, which
> includes Sugar and these activities. The rest of my time is already
> sold.
>
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 07:27:56AM -0500, Dave Crossland wrote:
> > James, are you soliciting SL pay you as a contractor to fix Activities
> not on
> > the list?
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 1:15 AM James Cameron <[1]quozl at laptop.org wrote:
> >
> > Nice idea, but hasn't happened yet, and I don't expect it to ever
> > happen without scaling up the number of testers and fixers.
> >
> > We just don't have enough people paying attention.
> >
> > How would you propose that attention be purchased? Sugar Labs has
> > $95k we could spend. You've seen from the list what my time can
> > accomplish each year, and that's not 100% of my time.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 08:03:16AM +0200, Tony Anderson wrote:
> > > My original point was that as a community we should view the
> activities
> > on
> > > ASLO as a corpus to be treasured and protected. No activity can be
> either
> > > abandoned or orphaned. It is the responsibility of the community.
> When a
> > > change 'upstream' breaks an activity or set of activities, the
> problem
> > > should be resolved as soon as possible.
> > >
> > > Tony
> > >
> > > On 1/23/19 6:07 AM, James Cameron wrote:
> > > >On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 09:54:08PM -0500, Walter Bender wrote:
> > > >>On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 9:13 PM James Cameron <[1][2]
> quozl at laptop.org>
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 01:29:56PM -0500, Devin Ulibarri
> wrote:
> > > >> > Hi,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > This was my experience:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > • I came into SugarLabs community at the time that this
> > migration was
> > > >> > beginning to happen.
> > > >> > • I started a GH account because that is where I was
> told the
> > software
> > > >> was
> > > >> > being maintained.
> > > >> > • I have continued to "go with the flow" and work via GH
> > although I
> > > >> have come
> > > >> > to understand more of the history and context of this
> > matter.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > These are my thoughts and opinions:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > • I remember an argument that one reason to move to GH
> is
> > "that is
> > > >> where all
> > > >> > the developers are", but since our migration I have
> seen so
> > many kids
> > > >> > (usually GCI) set up new accounts with GH in order to
> > contribute to
> > > >> SL (and
> > > >> > to participate in GCI). This makes me think that many
> people
> > are
> > > >> willing to
> > > >> > join our development regardless of whatever
> tools/services
> > we use,
> > > >> and
> > > >> > whatever tool/services we use, if they are not yet
> setup
> > with them,
> > > >> they
> > > >> > are willing to get setup in order to join development.
> > > >> > • Another argument seems to boil down to "we will be
> more
> > productive
> > > >> using GH
> > > >> > because we need not worry about the hassle of
> maintaining
> > our own
> > > >> code
> > > >> > hosting service". Is there evidence that we are more
> > productive now
> > > >> than
> > > >> > before? Not having the opportunity to learn/use the
> other
> > systems, I
> > > >> would
> > > >> > only be guessing.
> > > >>
> > > >> Not much evidence, it's about the same. Like any tooling,
> you get
> > > >> good at it with time. More productive now through the pull
> > request
> > > >> and issue integration, but less productive through loss of
> > situational
> > > >> awareness; changes are hidden in GitHub rather than being
> posted
> > to
> > > >> sugar-devel@, and new developers fixate on their favourite
> > > >> repositories.
> > > >>
> > > >> > • In theory, SL running its own version control, seems
> to me
> > like it
> > > >> would be
> > > >> > a) more fun for someone interested in this kind of
> work, b)
> > a
> > > >> learning
> > > >> > opportunity, and c) gives maximum freedom/flexibility
> to the
> > ways in
> > > >> which
> > > >> > we would like to do development.
> > > >>
> > > >> [2][3]git.sugarlabs.org hasn't needed any significant
> maintenance,
> > and is
> > > >> probably insecure now because of vulnerabilities that
> haven't been
> > > >> patched.
> > > >>
> > > >> [3][4]bugs.sugarlabs.org has needed updates, but they have
> > generally worked
> > > >> well.
> > > >>
> > > >>The spam issue made it almost unusable.
> > > >>
> > > >> > • I would rather be using software that is licensed
> under a
> > FLOSS
> > > >> license
> > > >> > than a proprietary license. [4][5]gnu.org came up
> with some
> > criteria to
> > > >> evaluate
> > > >> > "code hosting services" such as GH: [1][5][6]https://
> > www.gnu.org/
> > > >> software/
> > > >> > repo-criteria.html (which, btw, gets an "F", the
> lowest
> > grade) The
> > > >> whole
> > > >> > reason I am in this in the first place is because I
> believe
> > the free/
> > > >> libre
> > > >> > model of software to be the best for society and
> education.
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes, I agree. Setting up an instance of GitLab could be
> done, but
> > we
> > > >> would need someone willing to do that and maintain it. Or
> we
> > could
> > > >> use GitLab directly as other projects have done.
> > > >>
> > > >>What does that accomplish at this point? (That being said, I use
> GitLab
> > for
> > > >>other projects and it works just fine.)
> > > >All I can think of is closer compliance with intent of FSA 2(b),
> that
> > > >any and all software and documentation distributed by the Project
> will
> > > >be distributed solely as Free Software. But I've not heard from
> the
> > > >Conservancy on this.
> > > >
> > > >I don't think there are any other things that would be
> accomplished,
> > > >so it's not something I'm inclined to ask about.
> > > >
> > > >But I acknowledge Devin's concern; I too would rather be using
> > > >software that is licensed FLOSS than what we currently do.
> > > >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Devin
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Tue, 2019-01-22 at 07:15 +0200, Tony Anderson wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Walter,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I will try. I am moving on Feb 3 to Palawan. I'll try
> to get
> > to it
> > > >> then. My
> > > >> > principal concern re GSOC is to define projects with
> > manageable scope
> > > >> -
> > > >> > many of the past projects ended undelivered.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Tony
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On 1/21/19 3:10 PM, Walter Bender wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 3:44 AM James Cameron
> <[2][6]
> > > >> [7]quozl at laptop.org>
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Fascinating, I never thought the move to
> GitHub was
> > ever
> > > >> going to
> > > >> > achieve all that. It was to enable a
> shutdown of
> > the
> > > >> unmaintained
> > > >> > gitorious instance at [3][7][8]
> git.sugarlabs.org.
> > Which still
> > > >> hasn't
> > > >> > happened
> > > >> > because it is still useful, in turn because
> this
> > community
> > > >> hasn't
> > > >> > the
> > > >> > time to do the necessary leg work to finish
> the move
> > to
> > > >> GitHub.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I would be curious what is still on Gitorious that
> > hasn't been
> > > >> > migrated.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > FWIW, my principle motivations for the move were
> (1) as
> > James
> > > >> points
> > > >> > out -- on less piece of infrastructure for us to
> > maintain; and
> > > >> (2)
> > > >> > GitHub for better or worse is much more familiar
> to and
> > likely to
> > > >> be
> > > >> > discovered by potential developers. I think GH
> has been
> > a decent
> > > >> tool
> > > >> > which requires minimal effort on our part. Not
> sure that
> > the
> > > >> latter
> > > >> > really amounts to too much.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Re Tony's point about the ownership model, I
> don't see
> > that
> > > >> anything we
> > > >> > are doing suggests we don't want to continue to
> support
> > > >> individual
> > > >> > contributions. I interpreted James's list not as a
> > matter of
> > > >> ownership
> > > >> > but rather a surfacing of what is actually
> happening re
> > > >> maintenance. In
> > > >> > some sense, what is being articulated is the
> equivalent
> > of the
> > > >> Fructose
> > > >> > vs Honey nomenclature of the past where the core
> > developers are
> > > >> saying:
> > > >> > "These activities will be maintained. Cannot
> speak for
> > everything
> > > >> > else."
> > > >> >
> > > >> > That said, I think Tony makes a great point re
> thinking
> > about the
> > > >> > pedagogical implications of our choices, which
> have had
> > little if
> > > >> any
> > > >> > input from the learning side of the house. Would
> be
> > great to get
> > > >> more
> > > >> > input to help us in regard to what is most
> valuable to
> > our users
> > > >> > (whether they know it or not). [4]@Tony Anderson
> would
> > be great
> > > >> if you
> > > >> > could rework you thoughts about Python into a
> GSoC idea.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > regards.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > -walter
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > In short, it has nothing to do with the
> tools, and
> > everything
> > > >> to do
> > > >> > with contributors.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I'll continue to focus on the activities I've
> got on
> > my
> > > >> list. That
> > > >> > doesn't mean I won't help with the other
> activities,
> > but I
> > > >> won't
> > > >> > necessarily spend as much time with the
> others.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 09:12:01AM +0200, Tony
> > Anderson
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> > > While it is marvelous to see some actual
> attention
> > to the
> > > >> Sugar
> > > >> > activities,
> > > >> > > this approach is the direct opposite of the
> logic
> > behind
> > > >> the move
> > > >> > of the
> > > >> > > activities to gitHub. This is a return to
> the G1G1
> > model in
> > > >> which
> > > >> > individuals
> > > >> > > develop, contribute and own activities.
> There can
> > be no
> > > >> abandoned
> > > >> > or orphaned
> > > >> > > activities in a community support model.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > It was recognized by Walter and others that
> there
> > were two
> > > >> > factors which made
> > > >> > > that ownership model unworkable. First,
> changes in
> > Sugar
> > > >> software
> > > >> > support such
> > > >> > > as the move to GTK3 made common changes to
> all
> > activities
> > > >> > necessary and,
> > > >> > > second, that many of the original
> contributors are
> > no
> > > >> longer
> > > >> > involved with
> > > >> > > Sugar.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > GitHub was touted as the way in which Sugar
> Labs
> > as a
> > > >> community
> > > >> > would support
> > > >> > > Sugar and its library of activities.
> However, in
> > practice
> > > >> support
> > > >> > for
> > > >> > > activities has become increasingly limited
> to a
> > small
> > > >> number of
> > > >> > ones selected
> > > >> > > for inclusion in the 13.2 series of builds.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > The Sugar activities library is made
> available to
> > our users
> > > >> via
> > > >> > ASLO.
> > > >> > > Unfortunately, there are activities with new
> > versions in
> > > >> gitHub
> > > >> > which have not
> > > >> > > been released to ASLO and thus are unknown
> to our
> > users.
> > > >> There is
> > > >> > even
> > > >> > > confusion over which 'github'. It has to be
> kept
> > clear that
> > > >> > developers can use
> > > >> > > any method they chose. What is controlled
> is the
> > repository
> > > >> on
> > > >> > gitHub. Any
> > > >> > > changes outside of the Sugar Labs github are
> > invisible
> > > >> until they
> > > >> > are submitted
> > > >> > > as a new version.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Educational intent
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > What I would like to see is a return to the
> > founding
> > > >> philosophy
> > > >> > of Sugar.
> > > >> > > Everyone is welcome to contribute. When you
> get 10
> > lines of
> > > >> code
> > > >> > working,
> > > >> > > submit your activity. Sugar is designed to
> provide
> > all the
> > > >> > software tools
> > > >> > > needed to develop activities in Sugar - no
> > > >> cross-development,
> > > >> > containers, or
> > > >> > > virtual environments. Instead of requesting
> new
> > > >> contributors to
> > > >> > demonstrate
> > > >> > > their technical proficiency by putting
> their name
> > on the XO
> > > >> icon
> > > >> > in the Home
> > > >> > > View, identify some real examples of
> changes that
> > would
> > > >> improve
> > > >> > Sugar. There
> > > >> > > are plenty available:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Fix the icons on 'my settings' so they are
> visible
> > instead
> > > >> of
> > > >> > switching to
> > > >> > > gnome by clicking on the big toe.
> > > >> > > When you take a screenshot and switch to the
> > Journal to
> > > >> give it a
> > > >> > title, you
> > > >> > > must use the Frame to return, not the
> Activity
> > key.
> > > >> > > The kids love the ability to customize their
> > laptop with a
> > > >> > background picture.
> > > >> > > Unfortunately this often makes the icons in
> the
> > Home View
> > > >> > invisible.
> > > >> > > Add Jupyter Notebook as a built-in
> capability of
> > Sugar
> > > >> (possibly
> > > >> > as a service
> > > >> > > of Browse).
> > > >> > > Help solve problems with a long list of
> activities
> > (such as
> > > >> the
> > > >> > lack of sound
> > > >> > > in Block Party).
> > > >> > > Find a way for Browse to support the css
> FlexBox.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Stop using Pippy as a ceiling to our users
> > learning to
> > > >> program in
> > > >> > Python. They
> > > >> > > can work up to 'Make your own Sugar
> Activities'.
> > Start
> > > >> with the
> > > >> > Hello World
> > > >> > > activity. Explain GTK and its benefits.
> PyDebug
> > provides
> > > >> recipes
> > > >> > for many
> > > >> > > common coding situations. Stop hiding the
> Terminal
> > and Log
> > > >> > activities - try to
> > > >> > > encourage them to become favorites. Soon we
> could
> > see a new
> > > >> > generation of
> > > >> > > user-programmers as we did in Uruguay.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Along this theme, we should embrace the RPI
> and
> > its
> > > >> compatriots
> > > >> > as a way to
> > > >> > > make embedded computing tangible. It would
> not be
> > difficult
> > > >> to
> > > >> > connect such a
> > > >> > > device via the Ad Hoc network so that it
> could be
> > used to
> > > >> > transfer a program
> > > >> > > written on an XO to the device and execute
> it with
> > the user
> > > >> > seeing the results
> > > >> > > on LEDs (e.g. Sense Hat).
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Tony
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On 1/20/19 3:48 PM, Walter Bender wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > I noticed Dimensions fell off the list.
> I will
> > take
> > > >> that one
> > > >> > on as I think
> > > >> > > it is of real value.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > -walter
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 8:44 AM James
> Cameron
> > <[1][5]
> > > >> > [8][9]quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Thanks. So the list looks like;
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > # Walter Bender
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > * Music Blocks,
> > > >> > > * Turtle Blocks JS,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > # Rahul Bothra
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > * CowBulls,
> > > >> > > * Flappy,
> > > >> > > * Cedit,
> > > >> > > * Polari,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > # James Cameron
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > * Abacus,
> > > >> > > * Browse (master),
> > > >> > > * Browse (fedora 18 - webkit -
> v157.x),
> > > >> > > * Calculator,
> > > >> > > * Chart,
> > > >> > > * Chat,
> > > >> > > * Clock,
> > > >> > > * Develop,
> > > >> > > * Distance,
> > > >> > > * Finance,
> > > >> > > * Find Words,
> > > >> > > * Fototoon,
> > > >> > > * Fraction Bounce,
> > > >> > > * Gears,
> > > >> > > * GetBooks,
> > > >> > > * Help,
> > > >> > > * ImageViewer,
> > > >> > > * Implode,
> > > >> > > * Jukebox,
> > > >> > > * Labyrinth,
> > > >> > > * Letters,
> > > >> > > * Log,
> > > >> > > * Maze,
> > > >> > > * Measure,
> > > >> > > * Memorize,
> > > >> > > * Moon (master),
> > > >> > > * Moon (fedora 18 - gtk2 - v17.x),
> > > >> > > * MusicKeyboard (master),
> > > >> > > * MusicKeyboard (fedora 18 - csound
> -
> > v8.x),
> > > >> > > * Paint,
> > > >> > > * Physics,
> > > >> > > * Pippy,
> > > >> > > * Poll,
> > > >> > > * Portfolio,
> > > >> > > * Read (master),
> > > >> > > * Read (fedora 18 - webkit -
> v118.x),
> > > >> > > * Record (master),
> > > >> > > * Record (fedora 18 - gstreamer -
> v10x),
> > > >> > > * SimpleEnglishWikipedia,
> > > >> > > * Speak,
> > > >> > > * StopWatch,
> > > >> > > * Story,
> > > >> > > * Terminal,
> > > >> > > * TurtleBlocks,
> > > >> > > * Words,
> > > >> > > * Write,
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 09:04:50AM
> -0500,
> > Walter
> > > >> Bender
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> > > > I am actively maintaining Music
> Blocks
> > and Turtle
> > > >> > Blocks JS.
> > > >> > > > I just haven't had the bandwidth
> to do
> > much
> > > >> beyond that
> > > >> > of late. That
> > > >> > > said, I
> > > >> > > > am happy to kibbutz on any of the
> > activities
> > > >> which I
> > > >> > used to
> > > >> > > maintain.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 3:11 AM
> Rahul
> > Bothra <[1]
> > > >> [2]
> > > >> > > [6][9][10]rrbothra at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > *
> > > >> > > > I am maintaining CowBulls and
> > Flappy.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > I can take up cedit and Polari
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 12:53
> PM
> > James
> > > >> Cameron <[2]
> > > >> > [3]
> > > >> > > [7][10][11]quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Once we had a list of
> abandoned
> > > >> activities,
> > > >> > where the
> > > >> > > maintainer is
> > > >> > > > missing in action, not
> doing
> > testing or
> > > >> > releasing.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > Now, I propose the
> inverse; a
> > list of
> > > >> > activities with a
> > > >> > > maintainer
> > > >> > > > testing and releasing.
> It will
> > be easier
> > > >> to
> > > >> > maintain that
> > > >> > > list.
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > For myself, each of the
> Fructose
> > > >> activities,
> > > >> > each of the
> > > >> > > activities we
> > > >> > > > ship on OLPC OS. I know
> Walter
> > is
> > > >> looking
> > > >> > after Music
> > > >> > > Blocks. Lionel
> > > >> > > > is looking after
> Sugarizer. Are
> > there
> > > >> any
> > > >> > other developers
> > > >> > > who are
> > > >> > > > maintainers?
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > --
> > > >> > > > James Cameron
> > > >> > > > [3][4][8][11][12]http://
> > quozl.netrek.org/
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > > >> > > > [4][5][9][12]
> > > >> [13]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > > > [5][6][10][13][14]http://
> > lists.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> listinfo/
> > > >> > sugar-devel
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > > >> > > > [6][7][11][14][15]
> > Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > > > [7][8][12][15][16]http://
> > lists.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> listinfo/
> > > >> > sugar-devel
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > --
> > > >> > > > Walter Bender
> > > >> > > > Sugar Labs
> > > >> > > > [8][9][13][16][17]http://
> > www.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > > > [9]
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > References:
> > > >> > > >
> > > >> > > > [1] mailto:[10][14][17][18]
> > rrbothra at gmail.com
> > > >> > > > [2] mailto:[11][15][18][19]
> > quozl at laptop.org
> > > >> > > > [3] [12][16][19][20]http://
> > quozl.netrek.org/
> > > >> > > > [4] mailto:[13][17][20]
> > > >> [21]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > > > [5] [14][18][21][22]http://
> > lists.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> listinfo/
> > > >> > sugar-devel
> > > >> > > > [6] mailto:[15][19][22]
> > > >> [23]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > > > [7] [16][20][23][24]http://
> > lists.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> listinfo/
> > > >> > sugar-devel
> > > >> > > > [8] [17][21][24][25]http://
> > www.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> > > > [9] [18][22][25][26]http://
> > www.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > --
> > > >> > > James Cameron
> > > >> > > [19][23][26][27]
> http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > > >> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > > >> > > [20][24][27][28]
> > Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > > [21][25][28][29]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org
> > /listinfo/
> > > >> sugar-devel
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > --
> > > >> > > Walter Bender
> > > >> > > Sugar Labs
> > > >> > > [22][26][29][30]
> http://www.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > > >> > > [23][27][30][31]
> > Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > > [24][28][31][32]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
> > listinfo/
> > > >> sugar-devel
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > References:
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > [1] mailto:[29][32][33]quozl at laptop.org
> > > >> > > [2] mailto:[30][33][34]rrbothra at gmail.com
> > > >> > > [3] mailto:[31][34][35]quozl at laptop.org
> > > >> > > [4] [32][35][36]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > > >> > > [5] mailto:[33][36][37]
> > Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > > [6] [34][37][38]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
> > listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >> > > [7] mailto:[35][38][39]
> > Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > > [8] [36][39][40]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
> > listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >> > > [9] [37][40][41]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> > > [10] mailto:[38][41][42]rrbothra at gmail.com
> > > >> > > [11] mailto:[39][42][43]quozl at laptop.org
> > > >> > > [12] [40][43][44]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > > >> > > [13] mailto:[41][44][45]
> > Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > > [14] [42][45][46]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
> > listinfo/
> > > >> sugar-devel
> > > >> > > [15] mailto:[43][46][47]
> > Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > > [16] [44][47][48]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
> > listinfo/
> > > >> sugar-devel
> > > >> > > [17] [45][48][49]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> > > [18] [46][49][50]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> > > [19] [47][50][51]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > > >> > > [20] mailto:[48][51][52]
> > Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > > [21] [49][52][53]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
> > listinfo/
> > > >> sugar-devel
> > > >> > > [22] [50][53][54]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> > > [23] mailto:[51][54][55]
> > Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > > [24] [52][55][56]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
> > listinfo/
> > > >> sugar-devel
> > > >> >
> > > >> > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > > >> > > [53][56][57]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > > [54][57][58]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
> > sugar-devel
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > James Cameron
> > > >> > [55][58][59]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > > >> >
> _______________________________________________
> > > >> > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > > >> > [56][59][60]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [57][60][61]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
> > sugar-devel
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > Walter Bender
> > > >> > Sugar Labs
> > > >> > [58][61][62]http://www.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > > >> > [59][62][63]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [60][63][64]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
> > sugar-devel
> > > >> >
> > > >> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > > >> > [61][64][65]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [62][65][66]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >> >
> > > >> > References:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > [1] [66][67]
> https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria.html
> > > >> > [2] mailto:[67][68]quozl at laptop.org
> > > >> > [3] [68][69]http://git.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> > [4] mailto:[69][70]tony_anderson at usa.net
> > > >> > [5] mailto:[70][71]quozl at laptop.org
> > > >> > [6] mailto:[71][72]rrbothra at gmail.com
> > > >> > [7] mailto:[72][73]quozl at laptop.org
> > > >> > [8] [73][74]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > > >> > [9] mailto:[74][75]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [10] [75][76]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >> > [11] mailto:[76][77]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [12] [77][78]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >> > [13] [78][79]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> > [14] mailto:[79][80]rrbothra at gmail.com
> > > >> > [15] mailto:[80][81]quozl at laptop.org
> > > >> > [16] [81][82]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > > >> > [17] mailto:[82][83]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [18] [83][84]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >> > [19] mailto:[84][85]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [20] [85][86]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >> > [21] [86][87]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> > [22] [87][88]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> > [23] [88][89]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > > >> > [24] mailto:[89][90]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [25] [90][91]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >> > [26] [91][92]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> > [27] mailto:[92][93]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [28] [93][94]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >> > [29] mailto:[94][95]quozl at laptop.org
> > > >> > [30] mailto:[95][96]rrbothra at gmail.com
> > > >> > [31] mailto:[96][97]quozl at laptop.org
> > > >> > [32] [97][98]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > > >> > [33] mailto:[98][99]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [34] [99][100]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >> > [35] mailto:[100][101]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [36] [101][102]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >> > [37] [102][103]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> > [38] mailto:[103][104]rrbothra at gmail.com
> > > >> > [39] mailto:[104][105]quozl at laptop.org
> > > >> > [40] [105][106]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > > >> > [41] mailto:[106][107]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [42] [107][108]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >> > [43] mailto:[108][109]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [44] [109][110]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >> > [45] [110][111]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> > [46] [111][112]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> > [47] [112][113]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > > >> > [48] mailto:[113][114]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [49] [114][115]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >> > [50] [115][116]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> > [51] mailto:[116][117]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [52] [117][118]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >> > [53] mailto:[118][119]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [54] [119][120]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >> > [55] [120][121]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > > >> > [56] mailto:[121][122]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [57] [122][123]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >> > [58] [123][124]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >> > [59] mailto:[124][125]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [60] [125][126]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >> > [61] mailto:[126][127]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [62] [127][128]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >>
> > > >> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > > >> > [128][129]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> > [129][130]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> James Cameron
> > > >> [130][131]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > > >> _______________________________________________
> > > >> Sugar-devel mailing list
> > > >> [131][132]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > > >> [132][133]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > > >>
> > > >>--
> > > >>Walter Bender
> > > >>Sugar Labs
> > > >>[133][134]http://www.sugarlabs.org
> > > >>[134]
> > > >>
> > > >>References:
> > > >>
> > > >>[1] mailto:[135]quozl at laptop.org
> > > >>[2] [136]http://git.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >>[3] [137]http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >>[4] [138]http://gnu.org/
> > > >>[5] [139]https://www.gnu.org/software/
> > > >>[6] mailto:[140]quozl at laptop.org
> > > >>[7] [141]http://git.sugarlabs.org/
> > > >>[8] mailto:[142]quozl at laptop.org
> > > >>[9] mailto:[143]rrbothra at gmail.com
> > > >>[10] mailto:[144]quozl at laptop.org
> > > >>[11] [145]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > > >>[12] mailto:[146] <Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org>
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