[Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities
Dave Crossland
dave at lab6.com
Wed Jan 23 07:27:56 EST 2019
James, are you soliciting SL pay you as a contractor to fix Activities not
on the list?
On Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 1:15 AM James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org wrote:
> Nice idea, but hasn't happened yet, and I don't expect it to ever
> happen without scaling up the number of testers and fixers.
>
> We just don't have enough people paying attention.
>
> How would you propose that attention be purchased? Sugar Labs has
> $95k we could spend. You've seen from the list what my time can
> accomplish each year, and that's not 100% of my time.
>
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 08:03:16AM +0200, Tony Anderson wrote:
> > My original point was that as a community we should view the activities
> on
> > ASLO as a corpus to be treasured and protected. No activity can be either
> > abandoned or orphaned. It is the responsibility of the community. When a
> > change 'upstream' breaks an activity or set of activities, the problem
> > should be resolved as soon as possible.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > On 1/23/19 6:07 AM, James Cameron wrote:
> > >On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 09:54:08PM -0500, Walter Bender wrote:
> > >>On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 9:13 PM James Cameron <[1]quozl at laptop.org>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 01:29:56PM -0500, Devin Ulibarri wrote:
> > >> > Hi,
> > >> >
> > >> > This was my experience:
> > >> >
> > >> > • I came into SugarLabs community at the time that this
> migration was
> > >> > beginning to happen.
> > >> > • I started a GH account because that is where I was told the
> software
> > >> was
> > >> > being maintained.
> > >> > • I have continued to "go with the flow" and work via GH
> although I
> > >> have come
> > >> > to understand more of the history and context of this
> matter.
> > >> >
> > >> > These are my thoughts and opinions:
> > >> >
> > >> > • I remember an argument that one reason to move to GH is
> "that is
> > >> where all
> > >> > the developers are", but since our migration I have seen so
> many kids
> > >> > (usually GCI) set up new accounts with GH in order to
> contribute to
> > >> SL (and
> > >> > to participate in GCI). This makes me think that many
> people are
> > >> willing to
> > >> > join our development regardless of whatever tools/services
> we use,
> > >> and
> > >> > whatever tool/services we use, if they are not yet setup
> with them,
> > >> they
> > >> > are willing to get setup in order to join development.
> > >> > • Another argument seems to boil down to "we will be more
> productive
> > >> using GH
> > >> > because we need not worry about the hassle of maintaining
> our own
> > >> code
> > >> > hosting service". Is there evidence that we are more
> productive now
> > >> than
> > >> > before? Not having the opportunity to learn/use the other
> systems, I
> > >> would
> > >> > only be guessing.
> > >>
> > >> Not much evidence, it's about the same. Like any tooling, you get
> > >> good at it with time. More productive now through the pull
> request
> > >> and issue integration, but less productive through loss of
> situational
> > >> awareness; changes are hidden in GitHub rather than being posted
> to
> > >> sugar-devel@, and new developers fixate on their favourite
> > >> repositories.
> > >>
> > >> > • In theory, SL running its own version control, seems to me
> like it
> > >> would be
> > >> > a) more fun for someone interested in this kind of work, b)
> a
> > >> learning
> > >> > opportunity, and c) gives maximum freedom/flexibility to
> the ways in
> > >> which
> > >> > we would like to do development.
> > >>
> > >> [2]git.sugarlabs.org hasn't needed any significant maintenance,
> and is
> > >> probably insecure now because of vulnerabilities that haven't been
> > >> patched.
> > >>
> > >> [3]bugs.sugarlabs.org has needed updates, but they have
> generally worked
> > >> well.
> > >>
> > >>The spam issue made it almost unusable.
> > >>
> > >> > • I would rather be using software that is licensed under a
> FLOSS
> > >> license
> > >> > than a proprietary license. [4]gnu.org came up with some
> criteria to
> > >> evaluate
> > >> > "code hosting services" such as GH: [1][5]
> https://www.gnu.org/
> > >> software/
> > >> > repo-criteria.html (which, btw, gets an "F", the lowest
> grade) The
> > >> whole
> > >> > reason I am in this in the first place is because I believe
> the free/
> > >> libre
> > >> > model of software to be the best for society and education.
> > >>
> > >> Yes, I agree. Setting up an instance of GitLab could be done,
> but we
> > >> would need someone willing to do that and maintain it. Or we
> could
> > >> use GitLab directly as other projects have done.
> > >>
> > >>What does that accomplish at this point? (That being said, I use
> GitLab for
> > >>other projects and it works just fine.)
> > >All I can think of is closer compliance with intent of FSA 2(b), that
> > >any and all software and documentation distributed by the Project will
> > >be distributed solely as Free Software. But I've not heard from the
> > >Conservancy on this.
> > >
> > >I don't think there are any other things that would be accomplished,
> > >so it's not something I'm inclined to ask about.
> > >
> > >But I acknowledge Devin's concern; I too would rather be using
> > >software that is licensed FLOSS than what we currently do.
> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > Devin
> > >> >
> > >> > On Tue, 2019-01-22 at 07:15 +0200, Tony Anderson wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Walter,
> > >> >
> > >> > I will try. I am moving on Feb 3 to Palawan. I'll try to
> get to it
> > >> then. My
> > >> > principal concern re GSOC is to define projects with
> manageable scope
> > >> -
> > >> > many of the past projects ended undelivered.
> > >> >
> > >> > Tony
> > >> >
> > >> > On 1/21/19 3:10 PM, Walter Bender wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 3:44 AM James Cameron <[2][6]
> > >> quozl at laptop.org>
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Fascinating, I never thought the move to GitHub was
> ever
> > >> going to
> > >> > achieve all that. It was to enable a shutdown of
> the
> > >> unmaintained
> > >> > gitorious instance at [3][7]git.sugarlabs.org.
> Which still
> > >> hasn't
> > >> > happened
> > >> > because it is still useful, in turn because this
> community
> > >> hasn't
> > >> > the
> > >> > time to do the necessary leg work to finish the
> move to
> > >> GitHub.
> > >> >
> > >> > I would be curious what is still on Gitorious that
> hasn't been
> > >> > migrated.
> > >> >
> > >> > FWIW, my principle motivations for the move were (1) as
> James
> > >> points
> > >> > out -- on less piece of infrastructure for us to
> maintain; and
> > >> (2)
> > >> > GitHub for better or worse is much more familiar to and
> likely to
> > >> be
> > >> > discovered by potential developers. I think GH has been
> a decent
> > >> tool
> > >> > which requires minimal effort on our part. Not sure
> that the
> > >> latter
> > >> > really amounts to too much.
> > >> >
> > >> > Re Tony's point about the ownership model, I don't see
> that
> > >> anything we
> > >> > are doing suggests we don't want to continue to support
> > >> individual
> > >> > contributions. I interpreted James's list not as a
> matter of
> > >> ownership
> > >> > but rather a surfacing of what is actually happening re
> > >> maintenance. In
> > >> > some sense, what is being articulated is the equivalent
> of the
> > >> Fructose
> > >> > vs Honey nomenclature of the past where the core
> developers are
> > >> saying:
> > >> > "These activities will be maintained. Cannot speak for
> everything
> > >> > else."
> > >> >
> > >> > That said, I think Tony makes a great point re thinking
> about the
> > >> > pedagogical implications of our choices, which have had
> little if
> > >> any
> > >> > input from the learning side of the house. Would be
> great to get
> > >> more
> > >> > input to help us in regard to what is most valuable to
> our users
> > >> > (whether they know it or not). [4]@Tony Anderson would
> be great
> > >> if you
> > >> > could rework you thoughts about Python into a GSoC idea.
> > >> >
> > >> > regards.
> > >> >
> > >> > -walter
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > In short, it has nothing to do with the tools, and
> everything
> > >> to do
> > >> > with contributors.
> > >> >
> > >> > I'll continue to focus on the activities I've got
> on my
> > >> list. That
> > >> > doesn't mean I won't help with the other
> activities, but I
> > >> won't
> > >> > necessarily spend as much time with the others.
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 09:12:01AM +0200, Tony
> Anderson
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > > While it is marvelous to see some actual
> attention to the
> > >> Sugar
> > >> > activities,
> > >> > > this approach is the direct opposite of the logic
> behind
> > >> the move
> > >> > of the
> > >> > > activities to gitHub. This is a return to the
> G1G1 model in
> > >> which
> > >> > individuals
> > >> > > develop, contribute and own activities. There can
> be no
> > >> abandoned
> > >> > or orphaned
> > >> > > activities in a community support model.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > It was recognized by Walter and others that there
> were two
> > >> > factors which made
> > >> > > that ownership model unworkable. First, changes
> in Sugar
> > >> software
> > >> > support such
> > >> > > as the move to GTK3 made common changes to all
> activities
> > >> > necessary and,
> > >> > > second, that many of the original contributors
> are no
> > >> longer
> > >> > involved with
> > >> > > Sugar.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > GitHub was touted as the way in which Sugar Labs
> as a
> > >> community
> > >> > would support
> > >> > > Sugar and its library of activities. However, in
> practice
> > >> support
> > >> > for
> > >> > > activities has become increasingly limited to a
> small
> > >> number of
> > >> > ones selected
> > >> > > for inclusion in the 13.2 series of builds.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The Sugar activities library is made available to
> our users
> > >> via
> > >> > ASLO.
> > >> > > Unfortunately, there are activities with new
> versions in
> > >> gitHub
> > >> > which have not
> > >> > > been released to ASLO and thus are unknown to our
> users.
> > >> There is
> > >> > even
> > >> > > confusion over which 'github'. It has to be kept
> clear that
> > >> > developers can use
> > >> > > any method they chose. What is controlled is the
> repository
> > >> on
> > >> > gitHub. Any
> > >> > > changes outside of the Sugar Labs github are
> invisible
> > >> until they
> > >> > are submitted
> > >> > > as a new version.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Educational intent
> > >> > >
> > >> > > What I would like to see is a return to the
> founding
> > >> philosophy
> > >> > of Sugar.
> > >> > > Everyone is welcome to contribute. When you get
> 10 lines of
> > >> code
> > >> > working,
> > >> > > submit your activity. Sugar is designed to
> provide all the
> > >> > software tools
> > >> > > needed to develop activities in Sugar - no
> > >> cross-development,
> > >> > containers, or
> > >> > > virtual environments. Instead of requesting new
> > >> contributors to
> > >> > demonstrate
> > >> > > their technical proficiency by putting their name
> on the XO
> > >> icon
> > >> > in the Home
> > >> > > View, identify some real examples of changes that
> would
> > >> improve
> > >> > Sugar. There
> > >> > > are plenty available:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Fix the icons on 'my settings' so they are
> visible instead
> > >> of
> > >> > switching to
> > >> > > gnome by clicking on the big toe.
> > >> > > When you take a screenshot and switch to the
> Journal to
> > >> give it a
> > >> > title, you
> > >> > > must use the Frame to return, not the Activity
> key.
> > >> > > The kids love the ability to customize their
> laptop with a
> > >> > background picture.
> > >> > > Unfortunately this often makes the icons in the
> Home View
> > >> > invisible.
> > >> > > Add Jupyter Notebook as a built-in capability of
> Sugar
> > >> (possibly
> > >> > as a service
> > >> > > of Browse).
> > >> > > Help solve problems with a long list of
> activities (such as
> > >> the
> > >> > lack of sound
> > >> > > in Block Party).
> > >> > > Find a way for Browse to support the css FlexBox.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Stop using Pippy as a ceiling to our users
> learning to
> > >> program in
> > >> > Python. They
> > >> > > can work up to 'Make your own Sugar Activities'.
> Start
> > >> with the
> > >> > Hello World
> > >> > > activity. Explain GTK and its benefits. PyDebug
> provides
> > >> recipes
> > >> > for many
> > >> > > common coding situations. Stop hiding the
> Terminal and Log
> > >> > activities - try to
> > >> > > encourage them to become favorites. Soon we could
> see a new
> > >> > generation of
> > >> > > user-programmers as we did in Uruguay.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Along this theme, we should embrace the RPI and
> its
> > >> compatriots
> > >> > as a way to
> > >> > > make embedded computing tangible. It would not be
> difficult
> > >> to
> > >> > connect such a
> > >> > > device via the Ad Hoc network so that it could be
> used to
> > >> > transfer a program
> > >> > > written on an XO to the device and execute it
> with the user
> > >> > seeing the results
> > >> > > on LEDs (e.g. Sense Hat).
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Tony
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On 1/20/19 3:48 PM, Walter Bender wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I noticed Dimensions fell off the list. I
> will take
> > >> that one
> > >> > on as I think
> > >> > > it is of real value.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > -walter
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 8:44 AM James Cameron
> <[1][5]
> > >> > [8]quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Thanks. So the list looks like;
> > >> > >
> > >> > > # Walter Bender
> > >> > >
> > >> > > * Music Blocks,
> > >> > > * Turtle Blocks JS,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > # Rahul Bothra
> > >> > >
> > >> > > * CowBulls,
> > >> > > * Flappy,
> > >> > > * Cedit,
> > >> > > * Polari,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > # James Cameron
> > >> > >
> > >> > > * Abacus,
> > >> > > * Browse (master),
> > >> > > * Browse (fedora 18 - webkit - v157.x),
> > >> > > * Calculator,
> > >> > > * Chart,
> > >> > > * Chat,
> > >> > > * Clock,
> > >> > > * Develop,
> > >> > > * Distance,
> > >> > > * Finance,
> > >> > > * Find Words,
> > >> > > * Fototoon,
> > >> > > * Fraction Bounce,
> > >> > > * Gears,
> > >> > > * GetBooks,
> > >> > > * Help,
> > >> > > * ImageViewer,
> > >> > > * Implode,
> > >> > > * Jukebox,
> > >> > > * Labyrinth,
> > >> > > * Letters,
> > >> > > * Log,
> > >> > > * Maze,
> > >> > > * Measure,
> > >> > > * Memorize,
> > >> > > * Moon (master),
> > >> > > * Moon (fedora 18 - gtk2 - v17.x),
> > >> > > * MusicKeyboard (master),
> > >> > > * MusicKeyboard (fedora 18 - csound -
> v8.x),
> > >> > > * Paint,
> > >> > > * Physics,
> > >> > > * Pippy,
> > >> > > * Poll,
> > >> > > * Portfolio,
> > >> > > * Read (master),
> > >> > > * Read (fedora 18 - webkit - v118.x),
> > >> > > * Record (master),
> > >> > > * Record (fedora 18 - gstreamer - v10x),
> > >> > > * SimpleEnglishWikipedia,
> > >> > > * Speak,
> > >> > > * StopWatch,
> > >> > > * Story,
> > >> > > * Terminal,
> > >> > > * TurtleBlocks,
> > >> > > * Words,
> > >> > > * Write,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 09:04:50AM -0500,
> Walter
> > >> Bender
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> > > > I am actively maintaining Music Blocks
> and Turtle
> > >> > Blocks JS.
> > >> > > > I just haven't had the bandwidth to do
> much
> > >> beyond that
> > >> > of late. That
> > >> > > said, I
> > >> > > > am happy to kibbutz on any of the
> activities
> > >> which I
> > >> > used to
> > >> > > maintain.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 3:11 AM Rahul
> Bothra <[1]
> > >> [2]
> > >> > > [6][9]rrbothra at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > *
> > >> > > > I am maintaining CowBulls and
> Flappy.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > I can take up cedit and Polari
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 12:53 PM
> James
> > >> Cameron <[2]
> > >> > [3]
> > >> > > [7][10]quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Once we had a list of abandoned
> > >> activities,
> > >> > where the
> > >> > > maintainer is
> > >> > > > missing in action, not doing
> testing or
> > >> > releasing.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > Now, I propose the inverse; a
> list of
> > >> > activities with a
> > >> > > maintainer
> > >> > > > testing and releasing. It will
> be easier
> > >> to
> > >> > maintain that
> > >> > > list.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > For myself, each of the Fructose
> > >> activities,
> > >> > each of the
> > >> > > activities we
> > >> > > > ship on OLPC OS. I know Walter
> is
> > >> looking
> > >> > after Music
> > >> > > Blocks. Lionel
> > >> > > > is looking after Sugarizer.
> Are there
> > >> any
> > >> > other developers
> > >> > > who are
> > >> > > > maintainers?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > --
> > >> > > > James Cameron
> > >> > > > [3][4][8][11]
> http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >> > > >
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> > > > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > >> > > > [4][5][9][12]
> > >> Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > > > [5][6][10][13]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> listinfo/
> > >> > sugar-devel
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> > > > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > >> > > > [6][7][11][14]
> Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > > > [7][8][12][15]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> listinfo/
> > >> > sugar-devel
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > --
> > >> > > > Walter Bender
> > >> > > > Sugar Labs
> > >> > > > [8][9][13][16]http://www.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > > > [9]
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > References:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > [1] mailto:[10][14][17]
> rrbothra at gmail.com
> > >> > > > [2] mailto:[11][15][18]quozl at laptop.org
> > >> > > > [3] [12][16][19]
> http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >> > > > [4] mailto:[13][17][20]
> > >> Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > > > [5] [14][18][21]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> listinfo/
> > >> > sugar-devel
> > >> > > > [6] mailto:[15][19][22]
> > >> Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > > > [7] [16][20][23]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> listinfo/
> > >> > sugar-devel
> > >> > > > [8] [17][21][24]
> http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> > > > [9] [18][22][25]
> http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > James Cameron
> > >> > > [19][23][26]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >> > >
> _______________________________________________
> > >> > > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > >> > > [20][24][27]
> Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > > [21][25][28]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
> > >> sugar-devel
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > Walter Bender
> > >> > > Sugar Labs
> > >> > > [22][26][29]http://www.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> _______________________________________________
> > >> > > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > >> > > [23][27][30]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > > [24][28][31]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
> > >> sugar-devel
> > >> > >
> > >> > > References:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > [1] mailto:[29][32]quozl at laptop.org
> > >> > > [2] mailto:[30][33]rrbothra at gmail.com
> > >> > > [3] mailto:[31][34]quozl at laptop.org
> > >> > > [4] [32][35]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >> > > [5] mailto:[33][36]
> Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > > [6] [34][37]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> > > [7] mailto:[35][38]
> Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > > [8] [36][39]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> > > [9] [37][40]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> > > [10] mailto:[38][41]rrbothra at gmail.com
> > >> > > [11] mailto:[39][42]quozl at laptop.org
> > >> > > [12] [40][43]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >> > > [13] mailto:[41][44]
> Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > > [14] [42][45]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
> > >> sugar-devel
> > >> > > [15] mailto:[43][46]
> Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > > [16] [44][47]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
> > >> sugar-devel
> > >> > > [17] [45][48]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> > > [18] [46][49]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> > > [19] [47][50]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >> > > [20] mailto:[48][51]
> Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > > [21] [49][52]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
> > >> sugar-devel
> > >> > > [22] [50][53]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> > > [23] mailto:[51][54]
> Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > > [24] [52][55]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
> > >> sugar-devel
> > >> >
> > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > >> > > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > >> > > [53][56]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > > [54][57]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > James Cameron
> > >> > [55][58]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > >> > [56][59]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [57][60]
> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > Walter Bender
> > >> > Sugar Labs
> > >> > [58][61]http://www.sugarlabs.org
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > >> > [59][62]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [60][63]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > >> > [61][64]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [62][65]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> >
> > >> > References:
> > >> >
> > >> > [1] [66]https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria.html
> > >> > [2] mailto:[67]quozl at laptop.org
> > >> > [3] [68]http://git.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> > [4] mailto:[69]tony_anderson at usa.net
> > >> > [5] mailto:[70]quozl at laptop.org
> > >> > [6] mailto:[71]rrbothra at gmail.com
> > >> > [7] mailto:[72]quozl at laptop.org
> > >> > [8] [73]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >> > [9] mailto:[74]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [10] [75]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> > [11] mailto:[76]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [12] [77]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> > [13] [78]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> > [14] mailto:[79]rrbothra at gmail.com
> > >> > [15] mailto:[80]quozl at laptop.org
> > >> > [16] [81]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >> > [17] mailto:[82]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [18] [83]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> > [19] mailto:[84]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [20] [85]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> > [21] [86]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> > [22] [87]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> > [23] [88]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >> > [24] mailto:[89]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [25] [90]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> > [26] [91]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> > [27] mailto:[92]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [28] [93]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> > [29] mailto:[94]quozl at laptop.org
> > >> > [30] mailto:[95]rrbothra at gmail.com
> > >> > [31] mailto:[96]quozl at laptop.org
> > >> > [32] [97]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >> > [33] mailto:[98]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [34] [99]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> > [35] mailto:[100]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [36] [101]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> > [37] [102]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> > [38] mailto:[103]rrbothra at gmail.com
> > >> > [39] mailto:[104]quozl at laptop.org
> > >> > [40] [105]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >> > [41] mailto:[106]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [42] [107]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> > [43] mailto:[108]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [44] [109]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> > [45] [110]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> > [46] [111]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> > [47] [112]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >> > [48] mailto:[113]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [49] [114]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> > [50] [115]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> > [51] mailto:[116]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [52] [117]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> > [53] mailto:[118]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [54] [119]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> > [55] [120]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >> > [56] mailto:[121]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [57] [122]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> > [58] [123]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >> > [59] mailto:[124]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [60] [125]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >> > [61] mailto:[126]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [62] [127]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > Sugar-devel mailing list
> > >> > [128]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> > [129]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> James Cameron
> > >> [130]http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Sugar-devel mailing list
> > >> [131]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >> [132]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>
> > >>--
> > >>Walter Bender
> > >>Sugar Labs
> > >>[133]http://www.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[134]
> > >>
> > >>References:
> > >>
> > >>[1] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > >>[2] http://git.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[3] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[4] http://gnu.org/
> > >>[5] https://www.gnu.org/software/
> > >>[6] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > >>[7] http://git.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[8] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > >>[9] mailto:rrbothra at gmail.com
> > >>[10] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > >>[11] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >>[12] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[13] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
> > >>[14] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[15] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
> > >>[16] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[17] mailto:rrbothra at gmail.com
> > >>[18] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > >>[19] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >>[20] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[21] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
> > >>[22] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[23] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
> > >>[24] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[25] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[26] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >>[27] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[28] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[29] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[30] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[31] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[32] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > >>[33] mailto:rrbothra at gmail.com
> > >>[34] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > >>[35] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >>[36] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[37] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[38] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[39] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[40] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[41] mailto:rrbothra at gmail.com
> > >>[42] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > >>[43] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >>[44] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[45] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[46] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[47] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[48] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[49] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[50] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >>[51] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[52] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[53] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[54] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[55] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[56] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[57] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[58] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >>[59] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[60] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[61] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[62] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[63] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[64] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[65] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[66] https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria.html
> > >>[67] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > >>[68] http://git.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[69] mailto:tony_anderson at usa.net
> > >>[70] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > >>[71] mailto:rrbothra at gmail.com
> > >>[72] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > >>[73] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >>[74] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[75] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[76] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[77] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[78] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[79] mailto:rrbothra at gmail.com
> > >>[80] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > >>[81] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >>[82] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[83] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[84] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[85] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[86] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[87] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[88] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >>[89] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[90] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[91] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[92] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[93] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[94] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > >>[95] mailto:rrbothra at gmail.com
> > >>[96] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > >>[97] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >>[98] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[99] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[100] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[101] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[102] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[103] mailto:rrbothra at gmail.com
> > >>[104] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
> > >>[105] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >>[106] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[107] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[108] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[109] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[110] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[111] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[112] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >>[113] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[114] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[115] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[116] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[117] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[118] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[119] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[120] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >>[121] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[122] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[123] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[124] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[125] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[126] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[127] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[128] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[129] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[130] http://quozl.netrek.org/
> > >>[131] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> > >>[132] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
> > >>[133] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> > >>[134] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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>
> --
> James Cameron
> http://quozl.netrek.org/
> _______________________________________________
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