[Sugar-devel] Abandoned or orphaned activities

Tony Anderson tony_anderson at usa.net
Wed Jan 23 01:03:16 EST 2019


My original point was that as a community we should view the activities 
on ASLO as a corpus to be treasured and protected. No activity can be 
either abandoned or orphaned. It is the responsibility of the community. 
When a change 'upstream' breaks an activity or set of activities, the 
problem should be resolved as soon as possible.

Tony

On 1/23/19 6:07 AM, James Cameron wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 09:54:08PM -0500, Walter Bender wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 9:13 PM James Cameron <[1]quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>>      On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 01:29:56PM -0500, Devin Ulibarri wrote:
>>      > Hi,
>>      >
>>      > This was my experience:
>>      >
>>      >   • I came into SugarLabs community at the time that this migration was
>>      >     beginning to happen.
>>      >   • I started a GH account because that is where I was told the software
>>      was
>>      >     being maintained.
>>      >   • I have continued to "go with the flow" and work via GH although I
>>      have come
>>      >     to understand more of the history and context of this matter.
>>      >
>>      > These are my thoughts and opinions:
>>      >
>>      >   • I remember an argument that one reason to move to GH is "that is
>>      where all
>>      >     the developers are", but since our migration I have seen so many kids
>>      >     (usually GCI) set up new accounts with GH in order to contribute to
>>      SL (and
>>      >     to participate in GCI). This makes me think that many people are
>>      willing to
>>      >     join our development regardless of whatever tools/services we use,
>>      and
>>      >     whatever tool/services we use, if they are not yet setup with them,
>>      they
>>      >     are willing to get setup in order to join development.
>>      >   • Another argument seems to boil down to "we will be more productive
>>      using GH
>>      >     because we need not worry about the hassle of maintaining our own
>>      code
>>      >     hosting service". Is there evidence that we are more productive now
>>      than
>>      >     before? Not having the opportunity to learn/use the other systems, I
>>      would
>>      >     only be guessing.
>>
>>      Not much evidence, it's about the same.  Like any tooling, you get
>>      good at it with time.  More productive now through the pull request
>>      and issue integration, but less productive through loss of situational
>>      awareness; changes are hidden in GitHub rather than being posted to
>>      sugar-devel@, and new developers fixate on their favourite
>>      repositories.
>>
>>      >   • In theory, SL running its own version control, seems to me like it
>>      would be
>>      >     a) more fun for someone interested in this kind of work, b) a
>>      learning
>>      >     opportunity, and c) gives maximum freedom/flexibility to the ways in
>>      which
>>      >     we would like to do development.
>>
>>      [2]git.sugarlabs.org hasn't needed any significant maintenance, and is
>>      probably insecure now because of vulnerabilities that haven't been
>>      patched.
>>
>>      [3]bugs.sugarlabs.org has needed updates, but they have generally worked
>>      well.
>>
>> The spam issue made it almost unusable.
>>
>>      >   • I would rather be using software that is licensed under a FLOSS
>>      license
>>      >     than a proprietary license. [4]gnu.org came up with some criteria to
>>      evaluate
>>      >     "code hosting services" such as GH: [1][5]https://www.gnu.org/
>>      software/
>>      >     repo-criteria.html (which, btw, gets an "F", the lowest grade) The
>>      whole
>>      >     reason I am in this in the first place is because I believe the free/
>>      libre
>>      >     model of software to be the best for society and education.
>>
>>      Yes, I agree.  Setting up an instance of GitLab could be done, but we
>>      would need someone willing to do that and maintain it.  Or we could
>>      use GitLab directly as other projects have done.
>>
>> What does that accomplish at this point? (That being said, I use GitLab for
>> other projects and it works just fine.)
> All I can think of is closer compliance with intent of FSA 2(b), that
> any and all software and documentation distributed by the Project will
> be distributed solely as Free Software.  But I've not heard from the
> Conservancy on this.
>
> I don't think there are any other things that would be accomplished,
> so it's not something I'm inclined to ask about.
>
> But I acknowledge Devin's concern; I too would rather be using
> software that is licensed FLOSS than what we currently do.
>
>>      >
>>      > Devin
>>      >
>>      > On Tue, 2019-01-22 at 07:15 +0200, Tony Anderson wrote:
>>      >
>>      >     Walter,
>>      >
>>      >     I will try. I am moving on Feb 3 to Palawan. I'll try to get to it
>>      then. My
>>      >     principal concern re GSOC is to define projects with manageable scope
>>      -
>>      >     many of the past projects ended undelivered.
>>      >
>>      >     Tony
>>      >
>>      >     On 1/21/19 3:10 PM, Walter Bender wrote:
>>      >
>>      >         On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 3:44 AM James Cameron <[2][6]
>>      quozl at laptop.org>
>>      >         wrote:
>>      >
>>      >             Fascinating, I never thought the move to GitHub was ever
>>      going to
>>      >             achieve all that.  It was to enable a shutdown of the
>>      unmaintained
>>      >             gitorious instance at [3][7]git.sugarlabs.org.  Which still
>>      hasn't
>>      >             happened
>>      >             because it is still useful, in turn because this community
>>      hasn't
>>      >             the
>>      >             time to do the necessary leg work to finish the move to
>>      GitHub.
>>      >
>>      >         I would be curious what is still on Gitorious that hasn't been
>>      >         migrated.
>>      >
>>      >         FWIW, my principle motivations for the move were (1) as James
>>      points
>>      >         out -- on less piece of infrastructure for us to maintain; and
>>      (2)
>>      >         GitHub for better or worse is much more familiar to and likely to
>>      be
>>      >         discovered by potential developers. I think GH has been a decent
>>      tool
>>      >         which requires minimal effort on our part. Not sure that the
>>      latter
>>      >         really amounts to too much.
>>      >
>>      >         Re Tony's point about the ownership model, I don't see that
>>      anything we
>>      >         are doing suggests we don't want to continue to support
>>      individual
>>      >         contributions. I interpreted James's list not as a matter of
>>      ownership
>>      >         but rather a surfacing of what is actually happening re
>>      maintenance. In
>>      >         some sense, what is being articulated is the equivalent of the
>>      Fructose
>>      >         vs Honey nomenclature of the past where the core developers are
>>      saying:
>>      >         "These activities will be maintained. Cannot speak for everything
>>      >         else."
>>      >
>>      >         That said, I think Tony makes a great point re thinking about the
>>      >         pedagogical implications of our choices, which have had little if
>>      any
>>      >         input from the learning side of the house. Would be great to get
>>      more
>>      >         input to help us in regard to what is most valuable to our users
>>      >         (whether they know it or not). [4]@Tony Anderson would be great
>>      if you
>>      >         could rework you thoughts about Python into a GSoC idea.
>>      >
>>      >         regards.
>>      >
>>      >         -walter
>>      >
>>      >
>>      >             In short, it has nothing to do with the tools, and everything
>>      to do
>>      >             with contributors.
>>      >
>>      >             I'll continue to focus on the activities I've got on my
>>      list.  That
>>      >             doesn't mean I won't help with the other activities, but I
>>      won't
>>      >             necessarily spend as much time with the others.
>>      >
>>      >             On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 09:12:01AM +0200, Tony Anderson
>>      wrote:
>>      >             > While it is marvelous to see some actual attention to the
>>      Sugar
>>      >             activities,
>>      >             > this approach is the direct opposite of the logic behind
>>      the move
>>      >             of the
>>      >             > activities to gitHub. This is a return to the G1G1 model in
>>      which
>>      >             individuals
>>      >             > develop, contribute and own activities. There can be no
>>      abandoned
>>      >             or orphaned
>>      >             > activities in a community support model.
>>      >             >
>>      >             > It was recognized by Walter and others that there were two
>>      >             factors which made
>>      >             > that ownership model unworkable. First, changes in Sugar
>>      software
>>      >             support such
>>      >             > as the move to GTK3 made common changes to all activities
>>      >             necessary and,
>>      >             > second, that many of the original contributors are no
>>      longer
>>      >             involved with
>>      >             > Sugar.
>>      >             >
>>      >             > GitHub was touted as the way in which Sugar Labs as a
>>      community
>>      >             would support
>>      >             > Sugar and its library of activities. However, in practice
>>      support
>>      >             for
>>      >             > activities has become increasingly limited to a small
>>      number of
>>      >             ones selected
>>      >             > for inclusion in the 13.2 series of builds.
>>      >             >
>>      >             > The Sugar activities library is made available to our users
>>      via
>>      >             ASLO.
>>      >             > Unfortunately, there are activities with new versions in
>>      gitHub
>>      >             which have not
>>      >             > been released to ASLO and thus are unknown to our users.
>>      There is
>>      >             even
>>      >             > confusion over which 'github'. It has to be kept clear that
>>      >             developers can use
>>      >             > any method they chose. What is controlled is the repository
>>      on
>>      >             gitHub. Any
>>      >             > changes outside of the Sugar Labs github are invisible
>>      until they
>>      >             are submitted
>>      >             > as a new version.
>>      >             >
>>      >             > Educational intent
>>      >             >
>>      >             > What I would like to see is a return to the founding
>>      philosophy
>>      >             of Sugar.
>>      >             > Everyone is welcome to contribute. When you get 10 lines of
>>      code
>>      >             working,
>>      >             > submit your activity. Sugar is designed to provide all the
>>      >             software tools
>>      >             > needed to develop activities in Sugar - no
>>      cross-development,
>>      >             containers, or
>>      >             > virtual environments. Instead of requesting new
>>      contributors to
>>      >             demonstrate
>>      >             > their technical proficiency by putting their name on the XO
>>      icon
>>      >             in the Home
>>      >             > View, identify some real examples of changes that would
>>      improve
>>      >             Sugar. There
>>      >             > are plenty available:
>>      >             >
>>      >             > Fix the icons on 'my settings' so they are visible instead
>>      of
>>      >             switching to
>>      >             > gnome by clicking on the big toe.
>>      >             > When you take a screenshot and switch to the Journal to
>>      give it a
>>      >             title, you
>>      >             > must use the Frame to return, not the Activity key.
>>      >             > The kids love the ability to customize their laptop with a
>>      >             background picture.
>>      >             > Unfortunately this often makes the icons in the Home View
>>      >             invisible.
>>      >             > Add Jupyter Notebook as a built-in capability of Sugar
>>      (possibly
>>      >             as a service
>>      >             > of Browse).
>>      >             > Help solve problems with a long list of activities (such as
>>      the
>>      >             lack of sound
>>      >             > in Block Party).
>>      >             > Find a way for Browse to support the css FlexBox.
>>      >             >
>>      >             > Stop using Pippy as a ceiling to our users learning to
>>      program in
>>      >             Python. They
>>      >             > can work up to 'Make your own Sugar Activities'.  Start
>>      with the
>>      >             Hello World
>>      >             > activity. Explain GTK and its benefits. PyDebug provides
>>      recipes
>>      >             for many
>>      >             > common coding situations. Stop hiding the Terminal and Log
>>      >             activities - try to
>>      >             > encourage them to become favorites. Soon we could see a new
>>      >             generation of
>>      >             > user-programmers as we did in Uruguay.
>>      >             >
>>      >             > Along this theme, we should embrace the RPI and its
>>      compatriots
>>      >             as a way to
>>      >             > make embedded computing tangible. It would not be difficult
>>      to
>>      >             connect such a
>>      >             > device via the Ad Hoc network so that it could be used to
>>      >             transfer a program
>>      >             > written on an XO to the device and execute it with the user
>>      >             seeing the results
>>      >             > on LEDs (e.g. Sense Hat).
>>      >             >
>>      >             > Tony
>>      >             >
>>      >             > On 1/20/19 3:48 PM, Walter Bender wrote:
>>      >             >
>>      >             >     I noticed Dimensions fell off the list. I will take
>>      that one
>>      >             on as I think
>>      >             >     it is of real value.
>>      >             >
>>      >             >     -walter
>>      >             >
>>      >             >     On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 8:44 AM James Cameron <[1][5]
>>      >             [8]quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
>>      >             >
>>      >             >         Thanks.  So the list looks like;
>>      >             >
>>      >             >         # Walter Bender
>>      >             >
>>      >             >         * Music Blocks,
>>      >             >         * Turtle Blocks JS,
>>      >             >
>>      >             >         # Rahul Bothra
>>      >             >
>>      >             >         * CowBulls,
>>      >             >         * Flappy,
>>      >             >         * Cedit,
>>      >             >         * Polari,
>>      >             >
>>      >             >         # James Cameron
>>      >             >
>>      >             >         * Abacus,
>>      >             >         * Browse (master),
>>      >             >         * Browse (fedora 18 - webkit - v157.x),
>>      >             >         * Calculator,
>>      >             >         * Chart,
>>      >             >         * Chat,
>>      >             >         * Clock,
>>      >             >         * Develop,
>>      >             >         * Distance,
>>      >             >         * Finance,
>>      >             >         * Find Words,
>>      >             >         * Fototoon,
>>      >             >         * Fraction Bounce,
>>      >             >         * Gears,
>>      >             >         * GetBooks,
>>      >             >         * Help,
>>      >             >         * ImageViewer,
>>      >             >         * Implode,
>>      >             >         * Jukebox,
>>      >             >         * Labyrinth,
>>      >             >         * Letters,
>>      >             >         * Log,
>>      >             >         * Maze,
>>      >             >         * Measure,
>>      >             >         * Memorize,
>>      >             >         * Moon (master),
>>      >             >         * Moon (fedora 18 - gtk2 - v17.x),
>>      >             >         * MusicKeyboard (master),
>>      >             >         * MusicKeyboard (fedora 18 - csound - v8.x),
>>      >             >         * Paint,
>>      >             >         * Physics,
>>      >             >         * Pippy,
>>      >             >         * Poll,
>>      >             >         * Portfolio,
>>      >             >         * Read (master),
>>      >             >         * Read (fedora 18 - webkit - v118.x),
>>      >             >         * Record (master),
>>      >             >         * Record (fedora 18 - gstreamer - v10x),
>>      >             >         * SimpleEnglishWikipedia,
>>      >             >         * Speak,
>>      >             >         * StopWatch,
>>      >             >         * Story,
>>      >             >         * Terminal,
>>      >             >         * TurtleBlocks,
>>      >             >         * Words,
>>      >             >         * Write,
>>      >             >
>>      >             >         On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 09:04:50AM -0500, Walter
>>      Bender
>>      >             wrote:
>>      >             >         > I am actively maintaining Music Blocks and Turtle
>>      >             Blocks JS.
>>      >             >         > I just haven't had the bandwidth to do much
>>      beyond that
>>      >             of late. That
>>      >             >         said, I
>>      >             >         > am happy to kibbutz on any of the activities
>>      which I
>>      >             used to
>>      >             >         maintain.
>>      >             >         >
>>      >             >         > On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 3:11 AM Rahul Bothra <[1]
>>      [2]
>>      >             >         [6][9]rrbothra at gmail.com> wrote:
>>      >             >         >
>>      >             >         >     *
>>      >             >         >     I am maintaining CowBulls and Flappy.
>>      >             >         >
>>      >             >         >     I can take up cedit and Polari
>>      >             >         >
>>      >             >         >     On Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at 12:53 PM James
>>      Cameron <[2]
>>      >             [3]
>>      >             >         [7][10]quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
>>      >             >         >
>>      >             >         >         Once we had a list of abandoned
>>      activities,
>>      >             where the
>>      >             >         maintainer is
>>      >             >         >         missing in action, not doing testing or
>>      >             releasing.
>>      >             >         >
>>      >             >         >         Now, I propose the inverse; a list of
>>      >             activities with a
>>      >             >         maintainer
>>      >             >         >         testing and releasing.  It will be easier
>>      to
>>      >             maintain that
>>      >             >         list.
>>      >             >         >
>>      >             >         >         For myself, each of the Fructose
>>      activities,
>>      >             each of the
>>      >             >         activities we
>>      >             >         >         ship on OLPC OS.  I know Walter is
>>      looking
>>      >             after Music
>>      >             >         Blocks.  Lionel
>>      >             >         >         is looking after Sugarizer.  Are there
>>      any
>>      >             other developers
>>      >             >         who are
>>      >             >         >         maintainers?
>>      >             >         >
>>      >             >         >         --
>>      >             >         >         James Cameron
>>      >             >         >         [3][4][8][11]http://quozl.netrek.org/
>>      >             >         >
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>>      Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      >             >         >         [5][6][10][13]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
>>      listinfo/
>>      >             sugar-devel
>>      >             >         >
>>      >             >         >
>>       _______________________________________________
>>      >             >         >     Sugar-devel mailing list
>>      >             >         >     [6][7][11][14]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      >             >         >     [7][8][12][15]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
>>      listinfo/
>>      >             sugar-devel
>>      >             >         >
>>      >             >         > --
>>      >             >         > Walter Bender
>>      >             >         > Sugar Labs
>>      >             >         > [8][9][13][16]http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>      >             >         > [9]
>>      >             >         >
>>      >             >         > References:
>>      >             >         >
>>      >             >         > [1] mailto:[10][14][17]rrbothra at gmail.com
>>      >             >         > [2] mailto:[11][15][18]quozl at laptop.org
>>      >             >         > [3] [12][16][19]http://quozl.netrek.org/
>>      >             >         > [4] mailto:[13][17][20]
>>      Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      >             >         > [5] [14][18][21]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
>>      listinfo/
>>      >             sugar-devel
>>      >             >         > [6] mailto:[15][19][22]
>>      Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      >             >         > [7] [16][20][23]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/
>>      listinfo/
>>      >             sugar-devel
>>      >             >         > [8] [17][21][24]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>>      >             >         > [9] [18][22][25]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>>      >             >
>>      >             >         --
>>      >             >         James Cameron
>>      >             >         [19][23][26]http://quozl.netrek.org/
>>      >             >         _______________________________________________
>>      >             >         Sugar-devel mailing list
>>      >             >         [20][24][27]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      >             >         [21][25][28]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
>>      sugar-devel
>>      >             >
>>      >             >     --
>>      >             >     Walter Bender
>>      >             >     Sugar Labs
>>      >             >     [22][26][29]http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>      >             >
>>      >             >
>>      >             >     _______________________________________________
>>      >             >     Sugar-devel mailing list
>>      >             >     [23][27][30]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      >             >     [24][28][31]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
>>      sugar-devel
>>      >             >
>>      >             > References:
>>      >             >
>>      >             > [1] mailto:[29][32]quozl at laptop.org
>>      >             > [2] mailto:[30][33]rrbothra at gmail.com
>>      >             > [3] mailto:[31][34]quozl at laptop.org
>>      >             > [4] [32][35]http://quozl.netrek.org/
>>      >             > [5] mailto:[33][36]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      >             > [6] [34][37]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      >             > [7] mailto:[35][38]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      >             > [8] [36][39]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      >             > [9] [37][40]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>>      >             > [10] mailto:[38][41]rrbothra at gmail.com
>>      >             > [11] mailto:[39][42]quozl at laptop.org
>>      >             > [12] [40][43]http://quozl.netrek.org/
>>      >             > [13] mailto:[41][44]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      >             > [14] [42][45]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
>>      sugar-devel
>>      >             > [15] mailto:[43][46]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      >             > [16] [44][47]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
>>      sugar-devel
>>      >             > [17] [45][48]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>>      >             > [18] [46][49]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>>      >             > [19] [47][50]http://quozl.netrek.org/
>>      >             > [20] mailto:[48][51]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      >             > [21] [49][52]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
>>      sugar-devel
>>      >             > [22] [50][53]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>>      >             > [23] mailto:[51][54]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      >             > [24] [52][55]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
>>      sugar-devel
>>      >
>>      >             > _______________________________________________
>>      >             > Sugar-devel mailing list
>>      >             > [53][56]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      >             > [54][57]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      >
>>      >             --
>>      >             James Cameron
>>      >             [55][58]http://quozl.netrek.org/
>>      >             _______________________________________________
>>      >             Sugar-devel mailing list
>>      >             [56][59]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      >             [57][60]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      >
>>      >         --
>>      >         Walter Bender
>>      >         Sugar Labs
>>      >         [58][61]http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>      >
>>      >
>>      >         _______________________________________________
>>      >         Sugar-devel mailing list
>>      >         [59][62]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      >         [60][63]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      >
>>      >     _______________________________________________
>>      >     Sugar-devel mailing list
>>      >     [61][64]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      >     [62][65]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      >
>>      > References:
>>      >
>>      > [1] [66]https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria.html
>>      > [2] mailto:[67]quozl at laptop.org
>>      > [3] [68]http://git.sugarlabs.org/
>>      > [4] mailto:[69]tony_anderson at usa.net
>>      > [5] mailto:[70]quozl at laptop.org
>>      > [6] mailto:[71]rrbothra at gmail.com
>>      > [7] mailto:[72]quozl at laptop.org
>>      > [8] [73]http://quozl.netrek.org/
>>      > [9] mailto:[74]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      > [10] [75]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      > [11] mailto:[76]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      > [12] [77]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      > [13] [78]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>>      > [14] mailto:[79]rrbothra at gmail.com
>>      > [15] mailto:[80]quozl at laptop.org
>>      > [16] [81]http://quozl.netrek.org/
>>      > [17] mailto:[82]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      > [18] [83]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      > [19] mailto:[84]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      > [20] [85]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      > [21] [86]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>>      > [22] [87]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>>      > [23] [88]http://quozl.netrek.org/
>>      > [24] mailto:[89]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      > [25] [90]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      > [26] [91]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>>      > [27] mailto:[92]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      > [28] [93]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      > [29] mailto:[94]quozl at laptop.org
>>      > [30] mailto:[95]rrbothra at gmail.com
>>      > [31] mailto:[96]quozl at laptop.org
>>      > [32] [97]http://quozl.netrek.org/
>>      > [33] mailto:[98]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      > [34] [99]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      > [35] mailto:[100]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      > [36] [101]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      > [37] [102]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>>      > [38] mailto:[103]rrbothra at gmail.com
>>      > [39] mailto:[104]quozl at laptop.org
>>      > [40] [105]http://quozl.netrek.org/
>>      > [41] mailto:[106]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      > [42] [107]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      > [43] mailto:[108]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      > [44] [109]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      > [45] [110]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>>      > [46] [111]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>>      > [47] [112]http://quozl.netrek.org/
>>      > [48] mailto:[113]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      > [49] [114]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      > [50] [115]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>>      > [51] mailto:[116]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      > [52] [117]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      > [53] mailto:[118]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      > [54] [119]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      > [55] [120]http://quozl.netrek.org/
>>      > [56] mailto:[121]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      > [57] [122]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      > [58] [123]http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>>      > [59] mailto:[124]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      > [60] [125]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>      > [61] mailto:[126]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      > [62] [127]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>
>>      > _______________________________________________
>>      > Sugar-devel mailing list
>>      > [128]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      > [129]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>
>>      --
>>      James Cameron
>>      [130]http://quozl.netrek.org/
>>      _______________________________________________
>>      Sugar-devel mailing list
>>      [131]Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>      [132]http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>
>> --
>> Walter Bender
>> Sugar Labs
>> [133]http://www.sugarlabs.org
>> [134]
>>
>> References:
>>
>> [1] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>> [2] http://git.sugarlabs.org/
>> [3] http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/
>> [4] http://gnu.org/
>> [5] https://www.gnu.org/software/
>> [6] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>> [7] http://git.sugarlabs.org/
>> [8] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>> [9] mailto:rrbothra at gmail.com
>> [10] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>> [11] http://quozl.netrek.org/
>> [12] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [13] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
>> [14] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [15] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
>> [16] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [17] mailto:rrbothra at gmail.com
>> [18] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>> [19] http://quozl.netrek.org/
>> [20] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [21] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
>> [22] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [23] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/
>> [24] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [25] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [26] http://quozl.netrek.org/
>> [27] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [28] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [29] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [30] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [31] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [32] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>> [33] mailto:rrbothra at gmail.com
>> [34] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>> [35] http://quozl.netrek.org/
>> [36] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [37] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [38] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [39] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [40] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [41] mailto:rrbothra at gmail.com
>> [42] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>> [43] http://quozl.netrek.org/
>> [44] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [45] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [46] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [47] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [48] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [49] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [50] http://quozl.netrek.org/
>> [51] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [52] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [53] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [54] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [55] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [56] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [57] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [58] http://quozl.netrek.org/
>> [59] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [60] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [61] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [62] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [63] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [64] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [65] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [66] https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria.html
>> [67] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>> [68] http://git.sugarlabs.org/
>> [69] mailto:tony_anderson at usa.net
>> [70] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>> [71] mailto:rrbothra at gmail.com
>> [72] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>> [73] http://quozl.netrek.org/
>> [74] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [75] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [76] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [77] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [78] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [79] mailto:rrbothra at gmail.com
>> [80] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>> [81] http://quozl.netrek.org/
>> [82] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [83] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [84] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [85] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [86] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [87] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [88] http://quozl.netrek.org/
>> [89] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [90] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [91] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [92] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [93] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [94] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>> [95] mailto:rrbothra at gmail.com
>> [96] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>> [97] http://quozl.netrek.org/
>> [98] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [99] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [100] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [101] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [102] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [103] mailto:rrbothra at gmail.com
>> [104] mailto:quozl at laptop.org
>> [105] http://quozl.netrek.org/
>> [106] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [107] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [108] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [109] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [110] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [111] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [112] http://quozl.netrek.org/
>> [113] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [114] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [115] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [116] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [117] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [118] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [119] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [120] http://quozl.netrek.org/
>> [121] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [122] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [123] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [124] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [125] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [126] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [127] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [128] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [129] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [130] http://quozl.netrek.org/
>> [131] mailto:Sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>> [132] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>> [133] http://www.sugarlabs.org/
>> [134] http://www.sugarlabs.org/




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