[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Re: [IAEP] Sugar Design Meeting/Reunión 21 September at 11 PM UTC IRC Sugar Meeting [DESIGN]

[Walter Bender]

On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Laura Vargas <laura at somosazucar.org>
wrote:

> Walter,
>
> Thanks for your work and consideration for the importance of Language
> translation support on Sugar Labs channels. I hope we get Spanish support
> back in Sugar-Meeting.
>
> All user data I have is equally accessible for everyone and it is the
> results of 4 years of Hexoquinasa and the Sugar Network local node
> <http://network.sugarlabs.org/stats-viewer/> deployment at Perú.
>

I have no idea how to interpret these statistics. Can you please summarize
what I am looking at? What conclusions you draw and how the data support
those conclusions?
(I read the wiki page [1], which talks about User objects and Contexts
objects, but never explains what these objects are, how they were gathered,
or how one would interpret them.)

>
>
> As for the "Design insights", I have learn the best practice is to clearly
> understand the request before making suggestions and/or prototyping a
> solution.
>
> In the example we are setting, the user requesting this feature underlined
> the need is* for very young children to be able to easily install new
> activities.*
>

Can you please document where this feature request came from and its
context? What ages does this user consider to be "very young children"? How
do the currently available tools make it difficult for them to install new
activities? What exactly is the problem you are proposing to solve?

>
> I agree an Activity Catalog from the main icon would serve the purpose as
> long as the caretaker/teacher/parent can pre-set preferences for filtering
> / displaying proper Activities for the specific learner's needs.
>

I don't know what an Activity Catalog is. Nor what you mean by "from the
main icon".  Serve what purpose? You raise yet another issue: filtering
activities. Is this a problem from the field? Can you please describe it in
detail? Can you please analyze the currently available approaches to
filtering, such as tags, categories, and collections in ASLO, preloaded
activity bundles, etc. fall short? Again, what is the problem that you are
trying to address?

regards

-walter

[1]
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/index.php?title=Sugar_Network/API&redirect=no#Node_statistics

>
>
> *I'll follow your suggestion and draft a description of what a **"Sugar
> Activities Catalog" could be/do.*
>

>
> Thanks again, regards and happy equinox!
>
>
> Laura Victoria
>
> 2017-09-24 8:04 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Laura Vargas <laura at somosazucar.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [para Sugar-Sur favor traducir y leer]
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-09-23 1:11 GMT-05:00 James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org>:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 06:19:48AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
>>>> > Thank you all that were present for the reactivation meeting for the
>>>> > Sugar Labs Design Team.
>>>>
>>>> It was a horrible experience.
>>>>
>>>
>>> For children living in development countries "a horrible experience" has
>>> real meaning.
>>>
>>
>> I believe James was referring to the meeting itself. I too felt it was a
>> horrible experience. Bullying, attacks on the motivation and integrity of
>> your colleagues. Not what I would have hoped for.
>>
>>>
>>> I hope one day soon you get to understand the importance of integrating
>>> real children's needs to their Software Design.
>>>
>>
>> Rather than accuse James of a lack of understanding, perhaps you can
>> provide us concrete evidence that the needs of children is not being
>> considered. And actionable plans for rectifying the situation.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Gracias a todos los que estuvieron presentes para la reactivación
>>>> > del equipo de Diseño de Sugar Labs.
>>>>
>>>> Can't read that.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is a simple translation.
>>>
>>> It was sad to feel Spanish is a not welcomed language in the community.
>>>
>>
>> If you read the transcript of the meeting, no one said that Spanish was
>> not welcome. When you said to Sebastian that perhaps you should run the
>> meeting in Spanish, I reminded you that there were non-Spanish speakers at
>> the meeting. I also attempted to get the meeting translation system
>> working.
>>
>>>
>>> The example I gave with the requirement "to be able to download
>>> activities from the user interface" has many possible solutions; for
>>> example a Sugar Activities Catalog.
>>>
>>
>> (A) I don't recall you actually articulating a real problem; (B) I don't
>> recall you explaining what a "Sugar Activities Catalog" is; (C) I don't
>> recall any discussion about actions other than my suggesting that we use
>> the feature pages to describe and debate new Sugar features and design
>> ideas. No tangible ideas were presented in the meeting, so no tangible
>> ideas could have been dismissed. I look forward to learning more about the
>> Sugar Activities Catalog and how it advances the design of Sugar.
>>
>>>
>>> Instead, this "design team" you strongly protect, doesn't have an
>>> instance to think, share and select possible solutions and/or course of
>>> actions.
>>>
>>
>> The only thing that I was tying to "protect" was our process of design
>> reviews, which James outlined clearly in a previous email [1] in this
>> thread.
>>
>>>
>>> In current process, whoever reaches the user/teacher first gives back
>>> his personal ideas only.
>>>
>>
>> I am not sure to what you are referring. But you did claim in the meeting
>> to have user data, which you seem reluctant to share with the community.
>>
>> In this example he/she would have received Tony's directions and the
>>> design insight would have been forever lost.
>>>
>>
>> No idea what you were referring to.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That is no coherent if community hopes for the Sugar software to evolve.
>>>
>>
>> Again, no idea what you are referring to. Please explain.
>>
>> -walter
>>
>> [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2017-Sept
>> ember/054796.html
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Laura V.
>>> * I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>>
>>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>>> ~ L. Victoria
>>>
>>> Happy Learning!
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>>
>>
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>> Walter Bender
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>>
>
>
>
> --
> Laura V.
> * I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>
> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
> ~ L. Victoria
>
> Happy Learning!
> #LearningByDoing
> #Projects4good
> #IDesignATSugarLabs
> #WeCanDoBetter
>



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