[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Re: [IAEP] Sugar Design Meeting/Reunión 21 September at 11 PM UTC IRC Sugar Meeting [DESIGN]

[Laura Vargas]

Walter,

Thanks for your work and consideration for the importance of Language
translation support on Sugar Labs channels. I hope we get Spanish support
back in Sugar-Meeting.

All user data I have is equally accessible for everyone and it is the
results of 4 years of Hexoquinasa and the Sugar Network local node
<http://network.sugarlabs.org/stats-viewer/> deployment at Perú.


As for the "Design insights", I have learn the best practice is to clearly
understand the request before making suggestions and/or prototyping a
solution.

In the example we are setting, the user requesting this feature underlined
the need is* for very young children to be able to easily install new
activities.*

I agree an Activity Catalog from the main icon would serve the purpose as
long as the caretaker/teacher/parent can pre-set preferences for filtering
/ displaying proper Activities for the specific learner's needs.


*I'll follow your suggestion and draft a description of what a **"Sugar
Activities Catalog" could be/do.*

Thanks again, regards and happy equinox!


Laura Victoria

2017-09-24 8:04 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>:

>
>
> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Laura Vargas <laura at somosazucar.org>
> wrote:
>
>> [para Sugar-Sur favor traducir y leer]
>>
>>
>> 2017-09-23 1:11 GMT-05:00 James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org>:
>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 06:19:48AM -0500, Laura Vargas wrote:
>>> > Thank you all that were present for the reactivation meeting for the
>>> > Sugar Labs Design Team.
>>>
>>> It was a horrible experience.
>>>
>>
>> For children living in development countries "a horrible experience" has
>> real meaning.
>>
>
> I believe James was referring to the meeting itself. I too felt it was a
> horrible experience. Bullying, attacks on the motivation and integrity of
> your colleagues. Not what I would have hoped for.
>
>>
>> I hope one day soon you get to understand the importance of integrating
>> real children's needs to their Software Design.
>>
>
> Rather than accuse James of a lack of understanding, perhaps you can
> provide us concrete evidence that the needs of children is not being
> considered. And actionable plans for rectifying the situation.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> > Gracias a todos los que estuvieron presentes para la reactivación
>>> > del equipo de Diseño de Sugar Labs.
>>>
>>> Can't read that.
>>>
>>
>> Is a simple translation.
>>
>> It was sad to feel Spanish is a not welcomed language in the community.
>>
>
> If you read the transcript of the meeting, no one said that Spanish was
> not welcome. When you said to Sebastian that perhaps you should run the
> meeting in Spanish, I reminded you that there were non-Spanish speakers at
> the meeting. I also attempted to get the meeting translation system
> working.
>
>>
>> The example I gave with the requirement "to be able to download
>> activities from the user interface" has many possible solutions; for
>> example a Sugar Activities Catalog.
>>
>
> (A) I don't recall you actually articulating a real problem; (B) I don't
> recall you explaining what a "Sugar Activities Catalog" is; (C) I don't
> recall any discussion about actions other than my suggesting that we use
> the feature pages to describe and debate new Sugar features and design
> ideas. No tangible ideas were presented in the meeting, so no tangible
> ideas could have been dismissed. I look forward to learning more about the
> Sugar Activities Catalog and how it advances the design of Sugar.
>
>>
>> Instead, this "design team" you strongly protect, doesn't have an
>> instance to think, share and select possible solutions and/or course of
>> actions.
>>
>
> The only thing that I was tying to "protect" was our process of design
> reviews, which James outlined clearly in a previous email [1] in this
> thread.
>
>>
>> In current process, whoever reaches the user/teacher first gives back his
>> personal ideas only.
>>
>
> I am not sure to what you are referring. But you did claim in the meeting
> to have user data, which you seem reluctant to share with the community.
>
> In this example he/she would have received Tony's directions and the
>> design insight would have been forever lost.
>>
>
> No idea what you were referring to.
>
>>
>>
>> That is no coherent if community hopes for the Sugar software to evolve.
>>
>
> Again, no idea what you are referring to. Please explain.
>
> -walter
>
> [1] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2017-
> September/054796.html
>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> --
>> Laura V.
>> * I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*
>>
>> “Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
>> ~ L. Victoria
>>
>> Happy Learning!
>> #LearningByDoing
>> #Projects4good
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>>
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-- 
Laura V.
* I&D SomosAZUCAR.Org*

“Solo la tecnología libre nos hará libres.”
~ L. Victoria

Happy Learning!
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