[Sugar-devel] [IAEP] [SLOBS] URGENT action needed

[Laura Vargas]

2017-08-13 8:44 GMT-05:00 Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>:

> Really???
>
> I have to agree with Samson here. What is the existential risk here? How
> does the risk of a travel advance to a well established community member
> (and oversight board member) for a trip sponsored by a reliable funding
> source with whom we have been working for years represent some "dangerous
> precedent"? Regarding your suggestion that we loan the money as
> individuals, the fact that I out almost $2K for money I have loaned to
> community members for travel advances...
>


For everyone's reference, I believe here it is imperative to clear that:

*Sugar labs board has never approved or endorse any personal loans among
members. This practice would potentially produce long-term distortions
in **democratic
decision making.*

Regards

Laura V

makes me much more wary of that approach. It seemingly introduces an
> additional layer of confusion that makes travel reimbursement all the more
> mired within the opaque operations of our parent org.
>
> -walter
>
> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 9:28 AM, Samson Goddy <samsongoddy at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you Adam for the wonderful reply.
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2017 2:10 PM, "Adam Holt" <holt at laptop.org> wrote:
>>
>> Because Samson Goddy is our close friend and clearly should go to San
>> Francisco for GSoC, it is tempting to send him a personal loan.
>>
>> But for Sugar Labs to provide loans to our personal friends is a
>> dangerous precedent frought with moral and ethical hazards.
>>
>> As such, personally my conscience forces me to abstain from all such
>> matters.
>>
>> A quick question.. I am trying to undertsand some comments on this
>> motion.
>>
>> I believe this is not the first time Google is giving money to Sugar Labs
>> and i am pretty sure i am not the first person from Sugar Labs to attend
>> GSOC summit.
>>
>> Why is this an issue, for SL to approve so SFC can give me travel
>> advance?
>>
>> Dont Google pay for the travels?
>>
>> Why i am asking these questions is because i haven't seen such  comments
>> on previous travels and i certainly dont understand why it is happening
>> now, at least eating up time when i should be scheduling for interview with
>> the US embassy.
>>
>>
>>
>> I strongly encourage others to provide Samson the $627.05 personal loan
>> he in fact does need, if Sugar Labs cannot.
>>
>> *It will make a gigantic difference, and you will have a friend for life
>> in Samson Goddy, who is likely to move forward accomplishing truly
>> incredible things in his life.*
>>
>> Thanks for this note.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2017 2:54 AM, "Lionel Laské" <lionel.laske at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Because Adam is our Financial contact, I would like to hear from him
>> before voting.
>> In the meantime my vote could be considering as "Abstain".
>>
>>              Lionel.
>>
>>
>> 2017-08-12 15:27 GMT-07:00 Tabitha Roder <tabitha at tabitha.net.nz>:
>>
>>> I think Sugar Labs should approve the $US 627.05 travel advance for
>>> Samson Goddy.
>>> Tabitha
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 11, 2017 8:44 AM, "Walter Bender" <walter.bender at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I presume we need a motion and a vote on this. Time is of the essence,
>>>> so please respond ASAP.
>>>>
>>>> Motion: Samson Goddy has been selected as a Sugar Labs representative
>>>> to the Google Summer of Code mentor summit. He has requested a travel
>>>> advance to cover the costs of his visa application. The advance, including
>>>> wire fees comes to $US 627.05. This motion is to approve the travel
>>>> advance. (As additional background, Google will be covering up to $2200 in
>>>> travel expenses for two representatives to attend the summit. Since our
>>>> other representative is local to the SF area, the bulk of that money would
>>>> be available to cover Samson's travel, so the net impact on SL funds will
>>>> be negligible.
>>>>
>>>> regards.
>>>>
>>>> -walter
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>>> From: Accounting at Software Freedom Conservancy <
>>>> accounting at sfconservancy.org>
>>>> Date: Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 4:16 PM
>>>> Subject: URGENT request for Sugar Labs to approve of US$627.05 advance
>>>> for Goddy for GSoC Mentor Summit (was: Is Goddy actually requesting $160 ?)
>>>> To: sugar at sfconservancy.org
>>>> Cc: Martin Michlmayr <gsoc at sfconservancy.org>, Samson Goddy <
>>>> samsongoddy at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sugar Labs PLC,  please urgently page down to the all caps section
>>>> below.
>>>>
>>>> Samson,
>>>>
>>>> Samson Goddy wrote at 08:52 (EDT) on Wednesday:
>>>> > it has been 5 days, i already made request to sugar at sfconservancy.org
>>>> for
>>>> > funding. Since it takes up to 15 working days(3 weeks) for the
>>>> embassy to
>>>> > accept appointment for interview.
>>>> >
>>>> > I haven't heard anything from both parties.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, We are waiting for someone from Sugar Labs to reply to
>>>> approve the expense.  I don't know why they haven't replied.
>>>>
>>>> SUGAR LABS PLC: By my calculation, Samson is asking for this:
>>>>
>>>>   FOR TRAVEL TO GET A VISA, AND FOR THE VISA FEES ITSELF, SAMSON GODDY
>>>> ASKS
>>>>   FOR A CASH ADVANCE OF TRAVEL EXPENSES (TO COME TO GSOC MENTOR SUMMIT
>>>>   2017).  The totals are as follows:
>>>>
>>>>   If we use western union, N202,350 = $570 (rate set by WU)
>>>>
>>>>   If we use wire, he's asking for 561+(561*.05)+13+25 = US$627.05 to be
>>>> wired.
>>>>                                        wire fees
>>>>
>>>> If Sugar Labs PLC replies with approval before Sunday night US/Eastern,
>>>> we
>>>> can likely process a payment by wire on Monday.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We don't typically use Western Union, and it would be substantial
>>>> effort for
>>>> us to do that, so we'd like Sugar to approve the additional wire fees as
>>>> it will make payment more rapid for Samson and easier for Conservancy.
>>>>
>>>> Samson, your request was a bit ramble-y, so if I gleaned the wrong
>>>> totals
>>>> above, please correct them.
>>>>
>>>> Samson, in preparation for Sugar Labs PLC hopefully approving this
>>>> request,
>>>> could you let me know if the wire instructions I used for you before are
>>>> still correct, and if not, send me new ones?
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bradley M. Kuhn
>>>> Distinguished Technologist of Software Freedom Conservancy
>>>>  |------> & also, de-facto Bookkeeper for the moment
>>>> Pls support Conservancy!: https://sfconservancy.org/supporter/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Walter Bender
>>>> Sugar Labs
>>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org
>>>> <http://www.sugarlabs.org>
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