[Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar on Surface Pro (Microsoft Partnership)

[Samuel Greenfeld]

But what is a more proper port to Windows going to give us beyond what
Lionel has already done by including Sugarizer in pretty much every major
app store (including Microsoft's and Apple's)?

There is a cost associated with porting applications and their ongoing
maintenance.  If Sugar is not going to receive a benefit, however measured,
that outweighs the cost, then what is the point?

Something similar already has happened with the original XO laptop series.
While it may be possible to port newer operating systems/Linux kernels/etc.
to them, no one has quantified how many active users this could help, and
no one has taken up the mantle of actually doing the work.


On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net> wrote:

> Having Sugar available on Windows 10 is important to establish its reality
> as an alternative educational platform for educators. Educators in Rwanda
> and the Philippines accept Windows as the software for vocational
> preparation to the extent that the XO is not to be used for secondary
> education because Sugar is for primary school children.
>
> Ideally, Sugar would be a normal Windows program with a large file in the
> C: partition in the manner of Wubi. Sugar alongside Windows would be
> helpful but less effective with educators with their Windows blinders on.
>
> Tony
>
>
> On 04/03/2017 01:26 AM, Samuel Greenfeld wrote:
>
> The short answer is yes; there are any number of ways (HTML app,
> ActivePython .NET port, WSL, GTK for Windows, etc.) to port Sugar to
> Windows.
>
> Each has its own strengths and weaknesses.
>
> The big question is if any of them are worth it.
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 2, 2017 at 1:40 AM, Yatin Maan <yatinmaan1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>> I understand that this is an April fool's joke but with introduction on
>> "Windows subsystem for Linux (WSL)"[1] I was wondering whether we might be
>> able to directly run sugar on Windows 10.
>>
>> Someone here [2] even managed to get Unity and Xfce on WSL so I think it
>> might actually be possible to run Sugar.
>>
>> [1] - https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/wsl/2016/07/08/bash-on-ubun
>> tu-on-windows-10-anniversary-update/
>>
>> [2] - https://github.com/microsoft/bashonwindows/issues/637
>>
>> Regards,
>> Yatin
>>
>> On Sun 2 Apr, 2017, 3:10 AM Samuel Greenfeld, <samuel at greenfeld.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No; with all the thoughts of porting XOs to Fedora.next and having to
>>> look into ActivePython and such, I never got a chance to look into a proper
>>> Sugar .NET conversion.
>>>
>>> Besides with Sugarizer, we do not need a third language to maintain all
>>> the activities in.
>>>
>>> (It's amazing what you can do in Visual Studio within five minutes.)
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 5:32 PM, Samson Goddy < <samsongoddy at gmail.com>
>>> samsongoddy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Look nice, that is awesome. Did you finish it?
>>>
>>> On Apr 1, 2017 10:19 PM, "Samuel Greenfeld" <samuel at greenfeld.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Looking around, I found the following code online:
>>>
>>> http://www.greenfeld.org/1April2017/SugarNET.png
>>>
>>> It doesn't seem to do much more than my previous port did [*], but it at
>>> least compiles.
>>>
>>> [*] http://www.greenfeld.org/1April2011/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Samson Goddy <samsongoddy at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Lolz i guess, i am the king of pranks. Happy new month guys, hope you
>>> are enjoying your day.
>>>
>>> Samson
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 1, 2017 5:20 PM, "Walter Bender" < <walter.bender at gmail.com>
>>> walter.bender at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I  think Samson was looking at the calendar  (April 1) when he posted
>>> this.
>>>
>>> On Apr 1, 2017 7:46 AM, "Love Mehta" < <lovemehta.me at gmail.com>
>>> lovemehta.me at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Finally all the hard work is paying off. Soon, the time will come, when
>>> guys from Apple will be contacting Walter Sir. Let's keep up the good work.
>>>
>>> Greetings,
>>> Love
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 1, 2017 8:12 PM, "Utkarsh Tiwari" < <iamutkarshtiwari at gmail.com>
>>> iamutkarshtiwari at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Samson,
>>>
>>> Great news! This venture will definitely help us gain more popularity
>>> and reach more Windows users
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Utkarsh Tiwari
>>>
>>> On Sat, 1 Apr 2017 at 20:08 Samson Goddy < <samsongoddy at gmail.com>
>>> samsongoddy at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> According to [1], Microsoft wants to make a deal with Sugar Labs to
>>> include Sugar on their Surface devices as an educational platform for
>>> windows users. They contacted Walter, so he asked me to forward it to the
>>> community.
>>>
>>> [1]https://goo.gl/4Ka694
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