[Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s
Tony Anderson
tony_anderson at usa.net
Tue May 31 03:10:31 EDT 2016
Hi, Dave
No, I intended it to go to the list.
Thanks,
Tony
On 05/30/2016 06:23 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:
> Hi
>
> did you intend to reply offlist?
>
> On 30 May 2016 at 01:23, Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net
> <mailto:tony_anderson at usa.net>> wrote:
>
> Hi, Dave
>
> My first impression of the vision proposal is that it doesn't
> speak to the educational goal of Sugar. It doesn't answer the
> question: Why Sugar?
> Why does anyone need Sugar? What are its goals and unique
> contribution?
>
> Sugar is intended to fulfill an educational vision. Even on the
> Sugar Labs website mention of Seymour Papert and Alan Kay is
> relegated to the
> Education Team page and even then with no discussion of their
> vision and how it relates to Sugar.
>
> It was developed as the learning environment for the XO to provide
> improved educational opportunity
> for children who did not have access to digital technology.
>
> Formal education tends to treat computers as advanced typewriters
> to be taught as a subject.
> Sugar attempts to break that bond so that computers are used
> actively to promote learning across all subjects.
>
> Tony
>
> On 05/30/2016 04:36 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> I want to return to this older thread because of James Cameron's
>> comment in
>> https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/688#issuecomment-222393275 :
>>
>> On the assumption that Sugar Labs is dropping support for
>> XO-1, I'll close this pull request. Thanks for your time!
>>
>>
>> But I understood from Tony and Adam in this thread that Sugar
>> Labs _should_ keep support for the XO-1 as a goal. Adam said,
>>
>> In Haiti XO-1s will be dominant across many schools for years
>> and year to come. Similar to Tony's description, but these
>> typically will be using 32GB SD cards -- thankfully these are
>> incredibly affordable. The resilience/repairability of the
>> XO-1 laptops is the absolutely fascinating part.
>>
>>
>> I think this goal is wise because it ensures that Sugar runs well
>> on the cheapest computers - like the $10
>> getchip.com/pages/pocketchip
>> <http://getchip.com/pages/pocketchip> and $5
>> https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-zero - and ensures
>> performance is only better on later XO models and 'regular'
>> desktops/laptops.
>>
>> I edited https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Vision_proposal_2016 to
>> reflect this.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On 5 April 2016 at 17:04, James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org
>> <mailto:quozl at laptop.org>> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 05, 2016 at 07:37:45AM -0400, Dave Crossland wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi James
>> >
>> > On 1 April 2016 at 15:06, James Cameron
>> <[1]quozl at laptop.org <mailto:quozl at laptop.org>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Let me spin you a tail.
>> >
>> > The myth of forward human development doesn't apply to
>> software.
>> >
>> > This is a parade of people, several walking abreast,
>> beside a slow
>> > moving flat bed truck, all holding on to a ribbon.
>> >
>> > The truck is the world, and the internet as it stands.
>> >
>> > The first person, next to the truck, are our learners
>> or users.
>> >
>> > The second person is Sugar Labs; with our activities,
>> and Sugar.
>> >
>> > The third person is distributions of Linux, like Fedora
>> and Ubuntu,
>> >
>> > The fourth person are the hardware vendors, like
>> commodity suppliers
>> > or OLPC.
>> >
>> > The fifth person are the Linux kernel developers.
>> >
>> > As the procession walks beside the truck, the ribbon is
>> not always
>> > straight.
>> >
>> > Some people walk faster than others. Some let go of
>> the ribbon and
>> > others take their place.
>> >
>> > I'm glad you're here, you're bringing a new perspective.
>> >
>> > But the ribbon is actually toilet paper, so the
>> pressure to keep up,
>> > while real, doesn't get felt, instead the paper breaks.
>> >
>> > Do not target a rapidly diminishing enthusiastic group,
>> or the future
>> > users will suffer.
>> >
>> > I'm sorry, I didn't fully understand you here at the last
>> line. You had said
>> > earlier,
>> >
>> > > for the future of Sugar Labs, they should be
>> concentrating on
>> > > later designs than one from 2007 that is no longer
>> available and
>> > > rapidly dying from old age.
>> >
>> > So you mean, it would be unwise for Sugar Lab's
>> vision/mission/strategy for the
>> > next 3-5 years to focus on supporting the rapidly
>> diminishing (yet
>> > enthusiastic) group of XO owners, and focus on the future
>> users who are not XO
>> > owners?
>>
>> You might target this group of XO-1 owners and become a closed
>> community into which all communications are judged against
>> suitability
>> for the majority (which would then be XO-1 owners).
>>
>> It would feel good! [warning, sarcasm in this paragraph]
>>
>> I'm loath to battle the laws of physics, 'cause I know who wins.
>>
>> --
>> James Cameron
>> http://quozl.netrek.org/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers
>> Dave
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> Cheers
> Dave
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