[Sugar-devel] Default Collaboration Server

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Walter

I think we are talking about two different things. The jabber server in 
my understanding is an internet server. Ejabberd is software on the school
server that provides this service to the deployment LAN.

Tony

On 01/19/2016 01:51 AM, Walter Bender wrote:
> Presumably the jabber server is set to point to the server on the 
> school server in your use case. This change would not impact that.
>
> -walter
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net 
> <mailto:tony_anderson at usa.net>> wrote:
>
>     Currently, ejabberd is used on the school server (with gabble).
>     Does this change mean that something must be done on the XO or
>     schoolserver to enable collaboration (it is now automatic)? So far
>     as I know, the XO uses salut for ad hoc links and gabble with
>     ejabberd. Generally, if it isn't broken, don't fix it.
>
>     Tony
>
>
>     On 01/19/2016 01:27 AM, Samuel Greenfeld wrote:
>>     I don't see this as a change disabling gabble so much as a change
>>     where no default jabber server is specified.  This forces salut
>>     (ad-hoc) to be used until a jabber server is specified.
>>
>>     Given pretty much everyone who uses gabble outside of testing
>>     uses their own local jabber server and not Sugar Labs', there
>>     should be no user impact {apart from apps currently being broken
>>     with gabble staying broken until fixed}.
>>
>>     On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Tony Anderson
>>     <tony_anderson at usa.net <mailto:tony_anderson at usa.net>> wrote:
>>
>>         This is probably a correct analysis for those in the US with
>>         online broadband connection. However, at deployments which
>>         depend on the school server (those without internet access),
>>         gabble is needed to enable all XOs to collaborate. One of the
>>         first tests at a deployment is to ensure that XOs connected
>>         to the schoolserver are visible to each other (i.e. that
>>         gabble is working and not salut).
>>
>>         Such a change needs a more thorough study. Should we limit
>>         collaboration to XOs with a common router (partition the
>>         LAN)? Does collaboration with salut work for XOs connected to
>>         the school server? Is it a reasonable restriction at a
>>         deployment that only some XOs can chat?
>>
>>
>>         Tony
>>
>>
>>         On 01/18/2016 12:14 PM, Sam P. wrote:
>>>         Hi All,
>>>
>>>         Currently Sugar defaults to using "jabber.sugarlabs.org
>>>         <http://jabber.sugarlabs.org>" as a collaboration server in
>>>         Sugar on a Stick and other GNU distros (fedora, debian,
>>>         etc.). However, I propose that we change the default (this
>>>         release!) to use the local network (telepathy salut).  This
>>>         is a feature is that is already in sugar, and is used on XOs
>>>         and normal computers.
>>>
>>>         Why?
>>>
>>>         * Better activity support. Tubes are supported by salut, but
>>>         not by gabble (server based collab.).  This means that
>>>         activities that haven't been ported this cycle (most of
>>>         them) will still work under salut (proposed default), but
>>>         will not work under gabble (current default)
>>>
>>>         * More contextual neighbourhood view.  You only see people
>>>         on your local WiFi (or wired) network.  This is more helpful
>>>         for finding your friends than the trawling the crowded
>>>         jabber.sugarlabs.org <http://jabber.sugarlabs.org>
>>>         neighbourhood.
>>>
>>>         * More features.  File transfers work via salut, but not via
>>>         jabber.sugarlabs.org <http://jabber.sugarlabs.org>
>>>
>>>         * More speed and less lag. Jabber.sugarlabs.org
>>>         <http://Jabber.sugarlabs.org> is hosted in the mit.  While
>>>         that is good if you are a student at the mit, it is very
>>>         laggy if you are in say Australia.  I prefer near instant
>>>         collaberation provided by my local network.  Even if you are
>>>         at the mit, your wifi router is still closer than
>>>         jabber.sugarlabs.org <http://jabber.sugarlabs.org> (hopefully)
>>>
>>>         * Privacy.  Users (specifically kids) aren't by default
>>>         sharing their names and colours online and inviting others
>>>         to send them things.
>>>
>>>         Is this ok?  Will defaulting to use salut (local network)
>>>         cause any issues for anyone?  Is this ok for the 108 cycle?
>>>
>>>         Thanks,
>>>         Sam
>>>
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