[Sugar-devel] Default Collaboration Server

[Walter Bender]

Presumably the jabber server is set to point to the server on the school
server in your use case. This change would not impact that.

-walter

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 6:35 PM, Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net>
wrote:

> Currently, ejabberd is used on the school server (with gabble). Does this
> change mean that something must be done on the XO or schoolserver to enable
> collaboration (it is now automatic)? So far as I know, the XO uses salut
> for ad hoc links and gabble with ejabberd. Generally, if it isn't broken,
> don't fix it.
>
> Tony
>
>
> On 01/19/2016 01:27 AM, Samuel Greenfeld wrote:
>
> I don't see this as a change disabling gabble so much as a change where no
> default jabber server is specified.  This forces salut (ad-hoc) to be used
> until a jabber server is specified.
>
> Given pretty much everyone who uses gabble outside of testing uses their
> own local jabber server and not Sugar Labs', there should be no user impact
> {apart from apps currently being broken with gabble staying broken until
> fixed}.
>
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net>
> wrote:
>
>> This is probably a correct analysis for those in the US with online
>> broadband connection. However, at deployments which depend on the school
>> server (those without internet access), gabble is needed to enable all XOs
>> to collaborate. One of the first tests at a deployment is to ensure that
>> XOs connected to the schoolserver are visible to each other (i.e. that
>> gabble is working and not salut).
>>
>> Such a change needs a more thorough study. Should we limit collaboration
>> to XOs with a common router (partition the LAN)? Does collaboration with
>> salut work for XOs connected to the school server? Is it a reasonable
>> restriction at a deployment that only some XOs can chat?
>>
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On 01/18/2016 12:14 PM, Sam P. wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Currently Sugar defaults to using "jabber.sugarlabs.org" as a
>> collaboration server in Sugar on a Stick and other GNU distros (fedora,
>> debian, etc.).  However, I propose that we change the default (this
>> release!) to use the local network (telepathy salut).  This is a feature is
>> that is already in sugar, and is used on XOs and normal computers.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> * Better activity support.  Tubes are supported by salut, but not by
>> gabble (server based collab.).  This means that activities that haven't
>> been ported this cycle (most of them) will still work under salut (proposed
>> default), but will not work under gabble (current default)
>>
>> * More contextual neighbourhood view.  You only see people on your local
>> WiFi (or wired) network.  This is more helpful for finding your friends
>> than the trawling the crowded jabber.sugarlabs.org neighbourhood.
>>
>> * More features.  File transfers work via salut, but not via
>> jabber.sugarlabs.org
>>
>> * More speed and less lag.  Jabber.sugarlabs.org is hosted in the mit.
>> While that is good if you are a student at the mit, it is very laggy if you
>> are in say Australia.  I prefer near instant collaberation provided by my
>> local network.  Even if you are at the mit, your wifi router is still
>> closer than jabber.sugarlabs.org (hopefully)
>>
>> * Privacy.  Users (specifically kids) aren't by default sharing their
>> names and colours online and inviting others to send them things.
>>
>> Is this ok?  Will defaulting to use salut (local network) cause any
>> issues for anyone?  Is this ok for the 108 cycle?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sam
>>
>>
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