[Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Approach

samson goddy samsongoddy at hotmail.com
Mon Jan 11 14:10:22 EST 2016

Yeah i think i agree with sam on that.  

From: godiard at gmail.com
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 10:50:08 -0300
To: sam at sam.today
CC: samsongoddy at hotmail.com; holt at unleashkids.org; sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org; calla at media.mit.edu; iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP]  Approach

+1 to Sam comments.I think we should ask before implement a digital  tool:Why X should be done with a computer?Is better than do it with real paper, pencils, scissors, etc? Enable anything new?Scale better? Can reach more users?
Just my two cent
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 3:24 AM, Sam P. <sam at sam.today> wrote:
Hi Samson,
They are interesting in a way, and they seem to have a nice presentation editor.  Maybe that could be something to hack with the new collab text editor apis?
But I disagree with their approach many ways.  I was chatting with some people about this and struggled to see pedagogical use of many of their tools:
* "Quickfire" quiz thing - is talking to students hard?  Is it hard to get them to pass you an answer on paper?  Well, spend a lot of time setting up some computer thing instead!* "Discuss" - too hard to get kids to put up hands to discuss something?  Too hard to get them into groups?  Too hard to "pair share pair" or whatever strategy?  Have them talk at each other over the internet, after wasting time fussing with tech.* "Team Up" - too hard to get them into groups irl?  Too hard to let them talk so they can work together?  Too hard to use a normal presentation app to make slides?  Use this thing!
Overall, I think this represents an interesting trend in edu tech - making normal classroom things digital.  This is a trend that I view as useless from my experiences.  These are not useful tools for teachers to teach with, it doesn't let the kids make things or research things.  The currently successful devices in edu tech seem to be chromebooks - which don't add a single thing that is educational.  Instead they have collaboration for word processing, slides, etc.  Real tools for making real stuff.
Spiral does make me thing about what our approach should be though (hint: not like spiral) - making tools for kids to work together and make stuff.  Tools that teachers can use in their lesson plans.
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:08 PM, samson goddy <samsongoddy at hotmail.com> wrote:

Someone tweeted @sugar_labs via twitter, asking if the sugarlabs might be interested in this application. But it seems like she does not know that Sugar Labs has an OS. But the interesting thing is the approach about the application. It will be really good to have something like this as an activity in Sugar OS so it might make work for teachers in school easier. Here is the link to the site http://spiral.ac/r/miB 



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