[Sugar-devel] [SLOBS] Samson's proposal to SLOBs

[Ifeanyi Peter]

Another +1 for the motion.



>Please add any changes that your proposed model requires, directly into the
>Spreadsheet attached and keep sharing it, so we can all easily understand.

>Note the Spreadsheed does not contemplate any rent/acquisition for
>equipment.

>Cheers!
I think there should be cost for that @Samson - Please reply for plans for the venue of the SLOB meeting.



2016-04-21 21:16 GMT+08:00 Claudia Urrea <calla at media.mit.edu>:

> +1 from me. They should be separated, so we can move forward.
>
> Claudia
> _____________________________________
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>
> On Apr 21, 2016, at 9:15 AM, samson goddy <samsongoddy at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> + 1 for that motion
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 08:37:53 -0400
> Subject: Re: [SLOBS] [Sugar-devel] Samson's proposal to SLOBs
> From: walter.bender at gmail.com
> To: samsongoddy at hotmail.com
> CC: cjlhomeaddress at gmail.com; dave at lab6.com; holt at unleashkids.org;
> sora at unleashkids.org; sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org;
> samsongoddy at gmail.com; lionel at olpc-france.org; slobs at lists.sugarlabs.org;
> laura at somosazucar.org; cbigenho at hotmail.com; nicestep at gmail.com;
> calla at media.mit.edu; tch at sugarlabs.org; tony at olenepal.org;
> canoe.berry at yahoo.com; iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org; tim at timmoody.com;
> godiard at sugarlabs.org
>
> Can we agree to the model Chris proposed for the i18n work on Yoruba and
> setting the issue of the equipment separately? Then Samson and his team can
> get started without the expected delays of dealing with how best to get
> more hardware to him.
>
> regards.
>
> -walter
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 6:48 AM, samson goddy <samsongoddy at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> I don't see why people are still debating on this issue. I raise a
> proposal where i chose Walter, Chris, Dave and Laura to help me in the
> proposal. I don't see why this issue is still on debate. Let me clear
> something to everyone, Nigeria is so different from any other country when
> it comes to getting a tech related things.
>
>  So i done my best in answering questions about my project and i feel it
> costing me a lot of $$ in the cyber cafe that why i chose this people to
> help me. I don't see why this project is taking a lot of time because for
> me it very simple May is around the corner. I intend to do this are soon as
> 12 weeks or a month probably. Because this year is very tight for me. I am
> planing workshops for SL in Lagos and Port Harcourt. Delaying this project
> will only cost me not SLOBs or anyone. I am an undergraduate student not
> graduate, so i got a lot of things to do. So i don't thing waiting for the
> next meeting will do me no good.
>
> Samson G
>
> > From: cjlhomeaddress at gmail.com
> > Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 01:39:58 -0400
> > To: dave at lab6.com
> > CC: samsongoddy at hotmail.com; holt at unleashkids.org; sora at unleashkids.org;
>  sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org; samsongoddy at gmail.com;
> lionel at olpc-france.org; tony_anderson at usa.net; slobs at lists.sugarlabs.org;
> laura at somosazucar.org; canoe.berry at yahoo.com; cbigenho at hotmail.com;
> nicestep at gmail.com; calla at media.mit.edu; tch at sugarlabs.org;
> tony at olenepal.org; iaep at lists.sugarlabs.org; tim at timmoody.com;
> godiard at sugarlabs.org
> > Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Samson's proposal to SLOBs
> >
> > I worked with Samson to refine a narrower proposal that has been
> > presented to the SLOB by email. It is for the SLOB or Samson to
> > decide how / when to share it with the wider community. It is for the
> > SLOB to determine the how / when of discussing the proposal. I am
> > confident that all details will be public before any decision is
> > taken, I would characterize them as generally similar to previously
> > funded translation work, specific terms of which have been shared
> > previously.
> >
> > cjl
> >
> > cjl
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 12:30 AM, Dave Crossland <dave at lab6.com> wrote:
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > Its been 2 weeks since this thread was last updated; has anything else
> > > happened to move the proposal forward? Am I right that this will be
> decided
> > > on at the next SLOB meeting?
> I don't think that is necessary, because there is no time to wait for may.
>
> > >
> > > Samson, some more questions below:
> > >
> > > On 6 April 2016 at 08:00, samson goddy <samsongoddy at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for the question Dave, Let me explain why the Yoruba came with
> > >> the price $6,000. Originally, The Yoruba come with a price of 1500
> USD.
> > >> About the Internet plan in Nigeria is quite expensive. Like i told
> Tony,
> > >> getting a portable internet connection plus the device cost about
> $300 a
> > >> month.
> > >
> > >
> > > Which provider/offer is this? :)
> > >
> > >>
> > >> I also explained that getting anything related to tech is also
> expensive
> > >> in Nigeria. For example getting an iphone6 plus might cost about
> $700-800 in
> > >> USA or amazon, with the current exchange rate of 200 Nigerian naira
> to 1
> > >> dollar doesn't make everything in Nigeria cheaper. To get that same
> phone in
> > >> Nigeria is about 250,000 naira here in Nigeria that about 1255.0225 US
> > >> Dollar, you see the difference. India or USA is not Nigeria these
> country
> > >> has a stable economy. You could do you research about Nigeria economy
> > >> currently and see for yourself.
> > >
> > >
> > > I understand - India is pretty similar to that :)
> > >
> > > Is the breakdown of the $6k something like this?
> > >
> > > $1,500 translation
> > > $ 900 portable net @ $300/month x 3 months
> > > $3,600 laptops
> > >
> > > If there are other items, it seems the laptop is surely a larger item
> in the
> > > breakdown. So I wonder about the possibility of leasing/renting
> laptops. Eg
> > > I found http://xtramindsconcept.com.ng/laptops who advertise they
> leased a
> > > classroom of laptops to Google Nigeria. While that is in Lagos, I
> expect if
> > > you can visit a dozen computer repair shops, you could probably charm
> one of
> > > them to rent you some old stock for a good price.
> > >
> > > And there's also the 2nd hand market. Looking on olx.com I found a
> couple of
> > > nearly-new laptops for around USD$400 in Port Harcourt:
> > >
> > >
> https://www.olx.com.ng/ad/1-month-used-hp-pavilion-dv7-corei7-with-radeon-graphics-beat-audio-ID15HCC1.html
> > >
> > >
> https://www.olx.com.ng/ad/7months-old-hp-pavillion-for-sale-ID15I6yI.html
> > > (although you might also need that charm, "Carefully and softly used
> by a
> > > girl and so I wish a girl will also buy it" it says ;)
>
> I propose not to use anything from OLX because 1, they are not trusted and
> all are fraudsters. I am saying this because i was a victim for about 9,000
> Naira ($45) when i was trying to purchase a smart phone.  I already know a
> trusted market that i can purchase the laptops.
> > >
> > > I also find the $300/month mobile data cost high. How many Gb of data
> will
> > > you need?
> > >
> > > It seems that, new, its N15,000 ($USD75) for a hotspot wifi -
> > > http://www.gloworld.com/ng/personal/devices/portable-wifi-routers/ -
> and
> > > N5,000 (USD$25) for 5Gb of data -
> > > http://www.gloworld.com/ng/personal/data/data-plans/ - which can be
> doubled
> > > by working on a "campus" -
> > > http://www.gloworld.com/ng/personal/data/glo-campus-data-booster/ -
> and such
> > > hotspots can also be bought for around 1/3 of that price on olx.com
>
> One of the bad choices of internet is Glo, one it very slow and the
> coverage is bad that why their data is cheaper and plus the campus data
> plan only work on when you are in any university in Nigeria. Which i am not.
>  https://smile.com.ng/product/unlimited-smifi/ i intend to use this
> service provided instead.
> > >
> > > Finally, how many translators would be involved for the $1,500, which
> is
> > > spent over 12 weeks? :)
> 3 translators including me.
>
> > >
> > >> "Can some of these XO laptops be recovered/recycled. The owners are
> now in
> > >> their late teens and probably wanting to use smartphones or standard
> > >> laptops. They may be willing to sell them for a relatively small
> amount
> > >> given that the local demand for XOs is probably negligible. These
> could be
> > >> refurbished and deployed either to support a local hackerspace or to
> supply
> > >> enough for one class at a local school."? yes they can. Those who
> don't want
> > >> to use the xo any more normally give them to their young ones to use.
> > >
> > >
> > > That's great! :)
> > >
> > >>
> > >> "Finally, I think it would be cool to think about this funding as
> > >> investment, rather than just straight funding. You are going go
> through the
> > >> effort of finding people to translate, teaching them about Sugar,
> getting
> > >> new hardware for Sugar related projects, etc etc! It is a lot :) So,
> if you
> > >> do all that, I recommend thinking about how to use that built up
> energy and
> > >> value in a way that can move towards self-funding this kind of
> effort. For
> > >> example, offering workshops business model, because the risks can be
> > >> minimized and it can have low overheads, and there are several
> markets for
> > >> them - eg, offering sugar workshops to wealthier communities of
> parents who
> > >> are passionate about these languages; or, partnering with existing IT
> > >> training businesses."? Yes that is want i have in mind to do.
> > >
> > >
> > > :D
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Yes i would create Sugar Labs workshops, in Port Harcourt probably in
> > >> other parts of Nigeria too. These workshop will bring more users to
> the
> > >> sugar community, uses the xo's, Sugar on stick, sugarizer. It will be
> a
> > >> whole new word for Nigerians. I already find partners for the
> workshop. And
> > >> also i would really like if some one from Sugar Labs community will be
> > >> present too e.g like walter for Musics Blocks and Turtle art JS. Also
> most
> > >> of this questions you are answer is already been answered. I am
> spending a
> > >> lot of $ in cyber cafe. So i can't really answer all your questions.
> like i
> > >> said before SLOBs should invest in this proposal probably this
> April(i am
> > >> not forcing the issue) so that things can be done quicker. and i can
> be able
> > >> to start planing for workshops.
> > >
> > >
> > > I am not a SLOB (nor even am I a Member, yet :) but I would like to see
> > > that, even if the primary purpose of the funds is translation, that
> this
> > > proposal can catalyse the nigeria deployments "graduates" into
> contributors
> > > - hopefully long term.
> > >
> > > So I'd like to suggest that you add more of these ideas into the
> proposal
> > > document, so that it can be turned into a motion at the next SLOB
> meeting.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers
> > > Samson
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