[Sugar-devel] Vision

[Sam Parkinson]

Hi Dave,

Maybe the web platform is a bad bet.  Maybe Qt is a bad bet.  Maybe 
Gtk+ is a bad bet.  What.  A.  Shame.

But Gtk+ is actually fine.  It runs fast enough, it doesn't make users 
complain (or at least I haven't heard them), it has a nice api, and 
there is active development.  If we need better developer experience, 
we can investigate using GtkBuilder/Glade for our guis, or lifting the 
Gtk+ version requirement and using the nice GtkStack, GtkRevealer, 
GtkFlowBox, GtkListBox, and all the other new apis.

I'm not sure why Qt was not picked initially.  But to tell you the 
truth, it seems to me that the innovative stuff (Client Side 
Decorations, Wayland, CSS Nodes, etc) is happening in Gtk.

Thanks,
Sam

On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 2:23 PM, Dave Crossland <dave at lab6.com> wrote:
> 
> On 19 April 2016 at 23:14, Justin Overton <justin at polymath.ninja> 
> wrote:
>> I did look to see if I could find a way to buy an XO-4, but I ended 
>> up rooting my chromebook instead. It mostly runs fine on the 
>> chromebook, but several of the apps don't work. EToys, Speech, and a 
>> couple of others.
> 
> Cool!
> 
> I think Sugar Labs should buy some XO-4 stock and sell them, mainly 
> to developers :)
> 
> I'm curious why etoys won't run; squeak should run everywhere, and it 
> seems to me to be one of the most important activities.
> 
> On the main topic, I do think the web platform may be a bad bet - 
> http://techcrunch.com/2012/09/11/mark-zuckerberg-our-biggest-mistake-with-mobile-was-betting-too-much-on-html5/ 
> :) - and in this case I think porting Sugar to Qt might be worth 
> considering.
> 
> Should starting the effort to follow Wireshark et al and go Qt be 
> part of the 2016 vision/mission?
> 
> Today the www.qt.io/company seems to be profitable, and PyQt is 
> profitable GPL software, and survived Nokia's anti-gpl attack.
> 
> If we don't have anyone with links to the Qt Company in our networks, 
> we can easily build up a relationship there! :)
> 
> As I delved into Alan Kay, it seems that squeak (which etoys is built 
> on) has dried up, and now the leading libre non-web smalltalk is 
> http://pharo.org
> 
> That community seems like a good case study in how to set up a free 
> software project that harnesses finance:
> 
> http://pharo.org/community
> 
> http://association.pharo.org/web/about
> 
> http://consortium.pharo.org/
> 
> http://consortium.pharo.org/web/Membership
> 
> http://files.pharo.org/consultants/pharo-consultants.html
> 
> http://www.eventbrite.com/e/pharo-days-2016-tickets-22454533113
> 
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