[Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s
quozl at laptop.org
Mon Apr 11 05:04:27 EDT 2016
On Sun, Apr 10, 2016 at 09:58:15PM -0400, Dave Crossland wrote:
> Hi James!
> Brilliant answer, thank you :)
> On 10 April 2016 at 18:26, James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 09, 2016 at 08:47:35AM -0400, Dave Crossland wrote:
> > On 9 April 2016 at 06:31, James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org> wrote:
> > The XO-4 is in production.
> > What's the minimum order from OLPC? :)
> You are asking for the minimum order quantity (MOQ) of the XO-4.
> I don't know, it's not my task, and I don't feel I can escalate the
> question for you.
> I'm an engineering contractor with specific tasks,
> not an office bearer or manager.
> Sure, I don't intend for you to feel any pressure to "speak above your
> paygrade." I'm perfectly happy with "I don't know" or "I'm not authorised to
> say" :)
> The XO-4 MOQ could change day by day, as exchange rates, shipping,
> metal prices, component prices and their MOQ shift and change.
> For sure. And so I expect finding out precise answers has a cost, and if it is
> just me as some rando on a mailing list throwing out questions, that cost isn't
> worth paying. But if SL is committed to becoming a reseller, maybe it would be
> worth it.
> So, would you feel comfortable escalating the question if a SL Member submits a
> motion to SLOB's 2016-05 meeting as follows, and it passes?
My preference is for Sugar Labs to approach OLPC more directly than
through me. It really isn't something I need to be involved with.
> Sugar Labs intends to become an XO-4 Reseller to (a) raise funds (b) raise
> awareness of Sugar (c) promoting the development of more XO-enhanced
> activities (d) nurture new local labs. SLOB will appoint a Member to liaise
> with OLPC Association to find out relevant facts (including but not limited
> to: possible ranges of viable minimum order quantities, prices, delivery
> schedules, etc)
OLPC, Inc. Not OLPC Association. Anybody who has referred to
Association is talking about a previous organisation.
I'm not a Sugar Labs member, but if I were I'd be concerned about
constraining the scope of that motion to XO-4.
> Two of my tasks are firmware based production testing and first
> article inspection (FAI) approvals.
> Great! http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Quozl is scant on such
> details ;)
Yes. That's fine.
> Here's how some of the process works:
> A configuration is a set of component specifications; e.g. keyboard
> type, language, model, peripherals, storage, CPU, RAM, camera,
> wireless, battery.
> A stock keeping unit (SKU) is a unique configuration to be
> manufactured and tested. We have a list of SKUs on our Wiki at
> An order comes in from a customer with a configuration. When the
> configuration is in our list, we use that SKU. Otherwise, a new SKU
> is added.
> An FAI occurs once for each SKU. After that, the SKU can be
> manufactured for other orders. Changes to the source of components in
> a configuration may trigger another FAI. An FAI does not list
> That all makes sense and is good to know :) I'm not sure where it should live
> on wiki.laptop.org though?
I don't think it needs to. wiki.laptop.org is primarily for technical
support now, not for organisational stuff.
> Quantities inform my customer support task. To provide support, my
> lab has representative SKUs. Having a sample of each component is
> critical for support. Having one of each SKU would be perfect, but
> So I have to get an idea of the quantities to keep the cost of the lab
> down. In the past two years there has been production of as few as
> 100 units of an SKU. The lowest XO-4 MOQ observed.
> Cool! 100 units is a lot less then 10,000. Perhaps you don't know or can't
> tell, and if so then no worries, but what was the price per unit of the 100 SKU
I'm not authorised to answer that question.
> But, as I said at the outset, that doesn't always hold true, and it
> isn't a number to be taken as a promise. If there is a serious
> purchaser, they should be talking to OLPC directly, not to some random
> stranger they meet on a public mailing list. ;-)
> Per http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Buying_XOs to talk to OLPC directly I'd need
> to email countries at laptop.org right?
Yes. When doing so, specify the quantity, configuration and where you
would want them shipped. Usually the units are made to order.
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