[Sugar-devel] Python is good - don't waste time (was Re:The future of Sugar on XO-1s)

[Lionel Laské]

Hi Sebastian,

2016-04-07 16:19 GMT+02:00 <sugar-devel-request at lists.sugarlabs.org>:

>
> Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 09:15:06 -0500
> From: Sebastian Silva <sebastian at fuentelibre.org>
> To: Dave Crossland <dave at lab6.com>, Tony Anderson
>         <tony_anderson at usa.net>
> Cc: sugar-devel <sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] Python is good - don't waste time (was Re:
>         The future of Sugar on XO-1s)
> Message-ID: <57066B6A.6020202 at fuentelibre.org>
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> I had a real interesting experience rooting my daugther's Fire Kids
> Edition that grandma gave for her bday.
> I rooted it once. But there was a program to auto update it and then it
> had an android 5 further locked down device. Found another root hack out
> of it and made sure to stop and completely remove the autoupdater. Most
> of this process had to be done offline otherwise the tablet would
> download updates and reboot locked.
> We removed all of the Amazon apps and installed only free software,
> including camera, gallery, file browser and home shell. There are nice
> android educational apps from f-droid (the only library/app store we
> have installed). The problem with Sugarizer as a shell is that it can
> only run sugarizer Activities (Sugar Web Activities) and not the Android
> apps. These activities are very limited on a first experience.
>
> You're right, running Android app from Sugarizer is a must have.
It's why I've imagined with Michaël the "Sugarizer OS" [1] project that
hopefully we'll could do during GSoC.
Sugarizer OS will take the place of the Google/Amazon Launcher so users
will be able to launch both Sugarizer and Android application.
I'm specifically interested by Android version of GCompris and Scratch JR.



> I'll try to file bugs as I observe the children play with paint for
> instance (which lacks very important undo functionality for instance).
> Mariana made a square and a house in TurtleJS but then it crashed. It
> seems to do that often and she has not figured out the Journal yet which
> is very well hidden.
>
>
What Sugarizer version are you using ?
Sugarizer Paint include an Undo feature, see here [2].

                Lionel.

[1] https://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Summer_of_Code/2016#Sugarizer
[2] http://server.sugarizer.org


>
> El 07/04/16 a las 08:03, Dave Crossland escribió:
> > Hi Tony
> >
> > Don't get me wrong, what I am excited about is being able to buy up
> > Amazon's subsidised hardware and rip out their Android distro and put
> > in a clean one. I'm not sure about putting in a GNU/Linux, a clean
> > Android/Linux distro seems more likely to go smoothly.
> >
> > As I understood them, there were some GSOC proposals for making
> > Sugarizer into an Android shell, that would be make this strategy even
> > more viable.
> >
> >
> > On 6 April 2016 at 23:46, Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net
> > <mailto:tony_anderson at usa.net>> wrote:
> >
> >     Actually not. The problem is that I really believe the deployed
> >     system needs to be free, meaning the deployment needs to pay no
> >     subscription fees or royalties to continue to use the device.
> >     Microsoft (and other vendors) suffer from the buy once model. All
> >     of them are trying to find a way to get a stable revenue stream as
> >     the telecoms do. Technically, the 'cloud' is a sham. There is no
> >     way to provide a computer which is 50 times faster than the one in
> >     your hand. So having users execute code on a server is a
> >     non-starter. HTML is ok because the work is done on the client.
> >     Cloud storage is ok because the server action is as a file server,
> >     low processor overhead. Formatting Word documents on a server is
> >     not economical - unless that is your source of revenue.
> >
> >     Durability yes, but the price premium is 2x. There will (and
> >     probably are) a plethora of 'head start' computers with such
> >     packages. However, with Sugar and a school server, we already put
> >     them to shame.
> >
> >     Tony
> >
> >
> >     On 04/07/2016 11:24 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:
> >>
> >>     On 6 April 2016 at 20:49, Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net
> >>     <mailto:tony_anderson at usa.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >>         Our need is a deployable device - one that can be purchased
> >>         in quantities of 30+.
> >>         If we develop a technique to install Sugar on such a device,
> >>         that can be done for all of them at
> >>         the time of deployment. So, if anyone can find a suitable
> >>         tablet with a manageable price (less than $100)
> >>         and can install Sugar on it from a usb drive - it would be a
> >>         boon.
> >>
> >>
> >>     :D
> >>
> >>
> >>         Sora Edwards-Thro is planning a deployment with the $50
> >>         Kindle Fire (an Android derivative). Her intent
> >>         is to use Sugarizer. I would recommend adding the GCompris
> >>         Android version. What she really needs is
> >>         a Sugarized version of the WriteBook activity. So far, no one
> >>         has stepped up to take that on. Naturally, the strategic
> >>         interest is how well the Kindle supports learning.
> >>
> >>
> >>     Fascinating!
> >>
> >>     I see
> >>
> http://gizmodo.com/amazons-50-fire-tablet-is-the-impulse-buy-that-never-e-1731275123
> >>     from 2015-09-17:
> >>
> >>
> >>         If what you’re really looking for is durability, though, the
> >>         $100 Fire Kids Edition is the one you probably want. Big,
> >>         lifeproof rubber bumper, a 2-year no-questions-asked
> >>         replacement policy, a kid-friendly web browser you can turn
> >>         off or add whitelisted sites to, and 10,000 pre-approved
> >>         titles for junior to safely watch.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> > --
> > Cheers
> > Dave
> >
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