[Sugar-devel] Python is good - don't waste time (was Re: The future of Sugar on XO-1s)

[Sebastian Silva]

I had a real interesting experience rooting my daugther's Fire Kids
Edition that grandma gave for her bday.
I rooted it once. But there was a program to auto update it and then it
had an android 5 further locked down device. Found another root hack out
of it and made sure to stop and completely remove the autoupdater. Most
of this process had to be done offline otherwise the tablet would
download updates and reboot locked.
We removed all of the Amazon apps and installed only free software,
including camera, gallery, file browser and home shell. There are nice
android educational apps from f-droid (the only library/app store we
have installed). The problem with Sugarizer as a shell is that it can
only run sugarizer Activities (Sugar Web Activities) and not the Android
apps. These activities are very limited on a first experience.

I'll try to file bugs as I observe the children play with paint for
instance (which lacks very important undo functionality for instance).
Mariana made a square and a house in TurtleJS but then it crashed. It
seems to do that often and she has not figured out the Journal yet which
is very well hidden.


El 07/04/16 a las 08:03, Dave Crossland escribió:
> Hi Tony
>
> Don't get me wrong, what I am excited about is being able to buy up
> Amazon's subsidised hardware and rip out their Android distro and put
> in a clean one. I'm not sure about putting in a GNU/Linux, a clean
> Android/Linux distro seems more likely to go smoothly. 
>
> As I understood them, there were some GSOC proposals for making
> Sugarizer into an Android shell, that would be make this strategy even
> more viable. 
>
>
> On 6 April 2016 at 23:46, Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net
> <mailto:tony_anderson at usa.net>> wrote:
>
>     Actually not. The problem is that I really believe the deployed
>     system needs to be free, meaning the deployment needs to pay no
>     subscription fees or royalties to continue to use the device.
>     Microsoft (and other vendors) suffer from the buy once model. All
>     of them are trying to find a way to get a stable revenue stream as
>     the telecoms do. Technically, the 'cloud' is a sham. There is no
>     way to provide a computer which is 50 times faster than the one in
>     your hand. So having users execute code on a server is a
>     non-starter. HTML is ok because the work is done on the client.
>     Cloud storage is ok because the server action is as a file server,
>     low processor overhead. Formatting Word documents on a server is
>     not economical - unless that is your source of revenue.
>
>     Durability yes, but the price premium is 2x. There will (and
>     probably are) a plethora of 'head start' computers with such
>     packages. However, with Sugar and a school server, we already put
>     them to shame.
>
>     Tony
>
>
>     On 04/07/2016 11:24 AM, Dave Crossland wrote:
>>
>>     On 6 April 2016 at 20:49, Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net
>>     <mailto:tony_anderson at usa.net>> wrote:
>>
>>         Our need is a deployable device - one that can be purchased
>>         in quantities of 30+.
>>         If we develop a technique to install Sugar on such a device,
>>         that can be done for all of them at
>>         the time of deployment. So, if anyone can find a suitable
>>         tablet with a manageable price (less than $100)
>>         and can install Sugar on it from a usb drive - it would be a
>>         boon.
>>
>>
>>     :D
>>      
>>
>>         Sora Edwards-Thro is planning a deployment with the $50
>>         Kindle Fire (an Android derivative). Her intent
>>         is to use Sugarizer. I would recommend adding the GCompris
>>         Android version. What she really needs is
>>         a Sugarized version of the WriteBook activity. So far, no one
>>         has stepped up to take that on. Naturally, the strategic
>>         interest is how well the Kindle supports learning.
>>
>>
>>     Fascinating!
>>      
>>     I see
>>     http://gizmodo.com/amazons-50-fire-tablet-is-the-impulse-buy-that-never-e-1731275123
>>     from 2015-09-17:
>>
>>
>>         If what you’re really looking for is durability, though, the
>>         $100 Fire Kids Edition is the one you probably want. Big,
>>         lifeproof rubber bumper, a 2-year no-questions-asked
>>         replacement policy, a kid-friendly web browser you can turn
>>         off or add whitelisted sites to, and 10,000 pre-approved
>>         titles for junior to safely watch.
>>
>>
>>
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