[Sugar-devel] The future of Sugar on XO-1s

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Walter

+1 The effort is amazing. The issue is going forward. We still have a 
large number of XO-1s, XO-1.5s and XO-1.75s deployed and hopefully in 
daily use.
This community is the only source of maintenance for these units. As 
many have said, this gives us a moral requirement not to turn our backs 
on these
users. At the same time developers feel constrained to the limits of 
these platforms. We don't have the luxury of Ubuntu or Microsoft to set 
a date to end support - the XOs LTS will last for many more years.

Tony



On 04/06/2016 08:29 AM, Walter Bender wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 8:03 PM, Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net 
> <mailto:tony_anderson at usa.net>> wrote:
>
>     In my experience this can simplified. Developers want to use the
>     latest fastest hardware and work with the latest fashionable
>     software.
>
>     In general, supporting already deployed systems is maintenance.
>     What is needed for the XO-1 and other out-of-production models
>     (AFIK only the XO-4 is in production), is maintenance.
>
>
> Tony,
>
> I don't think it is that simple. The world changes and we cannot 
> ignore those changes. For example, changes Google made a few years 
> back made Browse break. To fix Browse, we needed to pull in 
> "fashionable" software. Or tell our users that they cannot use Google 
> products. (Simply from the point of view of security, we need to keep 
> pace with external developments.) That said, I think the Sugar 
> community has made an extraordinary effort to keep the XO-1 experience 
> viable.
>
> -walter
>
>
>     It will be difficult, but essential for the community to find
>     people who are willing to take on the challenge of maintaining
>     and, where possible, expanding the educational experience that the
>     XO can offer.
>
>     Tony
>
>
>     On 04/05/2016 07:37 PM, Dave Crossland wrote:
>>
>>     Hi James
>>
>>     On 1 April 2016 at 15:06, James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org
>>     <mailto:quozl at laptop.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         Let me spin you a tail.
>>
>>         The myth of forward human development doesn't apply to software.
>>
>>         This is a parade of people, several walking abreast, beside a
>>         slow
>>         moving flat bed truck, all holding on to a ribbon.
>>
>>         The truck is the world, and the internet as it stands.
>>
>>         The first person, next to the truck, are our learners or users.
>>
>>         The second person is Sugar Labs; with our activities, and Sugar.
>>
>>         The third person is distributions of Linux, like Fedora and
>>         Ubuntu,
>>
>>         The fourth person are the hardware vendors, like commodity
>>         suppliers
>>         or OLPC.
>>
>>         The fifth person are the Linux kernel developers.
>>
>>         As the procession walks beside the truck, the ribbon is not
>>         always
>>         straight.
>>
>>         Some people walk faster than others.  Some let go of the
>>         ribbon and
>>         others take their place.
>>
>>         I'm glad you're here, you're bringing a new perspective.
>>
>>         But the ribbon is actually toilet paper, so the pressure to
>>         keep up,
>>         while real, doesn't get felt, instead the paper breaks.
>>
>>         Do not target a rapidly diminishing enthusiastic group, or
>>         the future
>>         users will suffer.
>>
>>
>>     I'm sorry, I didn't fully understand you here at the last line.
>>     You had said earlier,
>>
>>     >     for the future of Sugar Labs, they should be concentrating on
>>     >     later designs than one from 2007 that is no longer
>>     available and
>>     >     rapidly dying from old age.
>>
>>     So you mean, it would be unwise for Sugar Lab's
>>     vision/mission/strategy for the next 3-5 years to focus on
>>     supporting the rapidly diminishing (yet enthusiastic) group of XO
>>     owners, and focus on the future users who are not XO owners?
>>
>>     Cheers
>>     Dave
>>
>>
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