[Sugar-devel] Language Support

[Sam P.]

Hey Tony,

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:51 PM Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net> wrote:

> Hi, Sam
>
> My concern is not the execution of the panel, but how we explain it to
> users. Remember our target audience is teachers and students in primary
> school in the
> developing world with little or no prior computer experience. As
> developers, we often see things as simple because we have used many others
> like it. It may not
> be so simple to those who do not have that experience.
>

Yep.  But we don't have a selector in the intro, so they'd be pretty
amazing to find the language settings if it wasn't configured by their
deployment :)


>
> However, we probably should think about the dialect/region selection. If I
> have selected Arabic, perhaps the dialect/region list should be in Arabic.
>

Ticket:  https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/4449


>
> We may also want to think about that list - do the entries represent
> countries where the language is spoken or represent dialects? I suspect the
> lists were
> copied from earlier releases.
>

They're just the system languages, so that is an issue for the distribution.


>
>
> Tony
>
>
> On 08/12/2015 01:38 PM, Sam P. wrote:
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> The control panel is very simple.  The left column is the language and the
> right column is the region/dialect.
>
> Maybe that should be a column header?
>
> Also, there is no conflicting "+" and "add" buttons.  The dropdown for the
> language selectors in a up or down arrow, while the add a new language
> button is a "+".  The hitbox for the expand/contract the dropdown includes
> the button and the label, making it more discoverable.
>
> Maybe it should use palettes (or modals with search!) to be more
> consistent, but it is actually a very nice ui considering it does a very
> complex job.
>
> I opened the control panel on the same OLPC OS image that you are running,
> can can not reproduce many (any?) of the issues you're describing.
>
> Please consider opening separate tickets for the issues.
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:26 PM Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> To continue the story. The way it works, you click on the button to the
>> left of the language (English) to
>> get a list. You click on the language to get a dialect (or region?). You
>> click on the dialect to select it. You then click on the
>> + button to get it 'really' selected. You then click on the top right
>> button to restart as always.
>>
>> After restarting the added language (German) is the system language.
>> However, when going back to the
>> language selection in settings, German is the only language shown. So
>> you need to click to open the language
>> list, click on English. This opens up the options of Australien and USA.
>> Incidentally, that is now the only line, the German
>> option has disappeared.
>>
>> I tried Arabic. There are 12 regions or dialects available. That list is
>> in English. I selected Egypt and was able to
>> switch to Arabic. To switch back, I clicked on the button to the left of
>> Arabic (only line). It lists alternate languages
>> in a mixture of Arabic and Latin alphabets. English is evidently shown
>> in Arabic but Spanish is Spanish. I selected
>> Spanish getting 21 regional choices all in Arabic except USA. I selected
>> USA and switched the system to Spanish.
>>
>> I then went back to settings and got a list of languages in Spanish
>> (Inglés). I selected that option and got a choice
>> of Australia and USA. I was able to get back to the original English,
>> USA option.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On 08/12/2015 12:55 PM, Tony Anderson wrote:
>> > I was surprised and embarrassed yesterday trying to show how easy it
>> > is to switch
>> > languages. I was using a 13.2.5 image.
>> >
>> > In previous versions, you go to settings and language and get a long
>> > list of supported
>> > languages. In 13.2.5, you get a statement: 'Add languages in the order
>> > you prefer'.
>> > So I clicked on + to add German. It added another row: English USA + -
>> >
>> > In the press of the moment, I couldn't find any other language that
>> > English USA.
>> >
>> > However, today I found that the trick is to click on the button to the
>> > left of the word English. This
>> > opens the expected list. Click on German adds a line with dialects:
>> > Austria, Belgium, Germany, ...
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, the use of the word 'add' together with a '+' button at
>> > least in my case led to confusion.
>> >
>> > Tony
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