[Sugar-devel] Language Support

[Tony Anderson]

Hi, Sam

My concern is not the execution of the panel, but how we explain it to 
users. Remember our target audience is teachers and students in primary 
school in the
developing world with little or no prior computer experience. As 
developers, we often see things as simple because we have used many 
others like it. It may not
be so simple to those who do not have that experience.

However, we probably should think about the dialect/region selection. If 
I have selected Arabic, perhaps the dialect/region list should be in Arabic.

We may also want to think about that list - do the entries represent 
countries where the language is spoken or represent dialects? I suspect 
the lists were
copied from earlier releases.

Tony

On 08/12/2015 01:38 PM, Sam P. wrote:
> Hi Tony,
>
> The control panel is very simple.  The left column is the language and 
> the right column is the region/dialect.
>
> Maybe that should be a column header?
>
> Also, there is no conflicting "+" and "add" buttons. The dropdown for 
> the language selectors in a up or down arrow, while the add a new 
> language button is a "+". The hitbox for the expand/contract the 
> dropdown includes the button and the label, making it more discoverable.
>
> Maybe it should use palettes (or modals with search!) to be more 
> consistent, but it is actually a very nice ui considering it does a 
> very complex job.
>
> I opened the control panel on the same OLPC OS image that you are 
> running, can can not reproduce many (any?) of the issues you're 
> describing.
>
> Please consider opening separate tickets for the issues.
>
> Thanks,
> Sam
>
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 9:26 PM Tony Anderson <tony_anderson at usa.net 
> <mailto:tony_anderson at usa.net>> wrote:
>
>     Hi,
>
>     To continue the story. The way it works, you click on the button
>     to the
>     left of the language (English) to
>     get a list. You click on the language to get a dialect (or
>     region?). You
>     click on the dialect to select it. You then click on the
>     + button to get it 'really' selected. You then click on the top right
>     button to restart as always.
>
>     After restarting the added language (German) is the system language.
>     However, when going back to the
>     language selection in settings, German is the only language shown. So
>     you need to click to open the language
>     list, click on English. This opens up the options of Australien
>     and USA.
>     Incidentally, that is now the only line, the German
>     option has disappeared.
>
>     I tried Arabic. There are 12 regions or dialects available. That
>     list is
>     in English. I selected Egypt and was able to
>     switch to Arabic. To switch back, I clicked on the button to the
>     left of
>     Arabic (only line). It lists alternate languages
>     in a mixture of Arabic and Latin alphabets. English is evidently shown
>     in Arabic but Spanish is Spanish. I selected
>     Spanish getting 21 regional choices all in Arabic except USA. I
>     selected
>     USA and switched the system to Spanish.
>
>     I then went back to settings and got a list of languages in Spanish
>     (Inglés). I selected that option and got a choice
>     of Australia and USA. I was able to get back to the original English,
>     USA option.
>
>     Tony
>
>
>     On 08/12/2015 12:55 PM, Tony Anderson wrote:
>     > I was surprised and embarrassed yesterday trying to show how easy it
>     > is to switch
>     > languages. I was using a 13.2.5 image.
>     >
>     > In previous versions, you go to settings and language and get a long
>     > list of supported
>     > languages. In 13.2.5, you get a statement: 'Add languages in the
>     order
>     > you prefer'.
>     > So I clicked on + to add German. It added another row: English
>     USA + -
>     >
>     > In the press of the moment, I couldn't find any other language that
>     > English USA.
>     >
>     > However, today I found that the trick is to click on the button
>     to the
>     > left of the word English. This
>     > opens the expected list. Click on German adds a line with dialects:
>     > Austria, Belgium, Germany, ...
>     >
>     > Unfortunately, the use of the word 'add' together with a '+'
>     button at
>     > least in my case led to confusion.
>     >
>     > Tony
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