[Sugar-devel] [Feature] Social Help

[Sam P.]

Hi Gonzalo,

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 3:37 AM Gonzalo Odiard <godiard at sugarlabs.org>
wrote:

> But if the server url can be configured (as in the proposal)
> In theory you could Sugar Network too at the server side, right?
> We only need define a standard way to provide context, like a parameter
> for the bundle_id
>

Yes, that is possible.  The api is very simple, the webview URL is set to:

    SERVER/goto/BUNDLE

So, you could make sugar network respond to this, add a redirect or create
a separate redirector server (as I do with socialhelp.sugarlabs.org).

It also has the merged native/web toolbar.  The webview adds the class
"sugar" to your document body so you can then compensate for the 55x55
close button on the top right.


> Regarding the proposal, I would like to see this more integrated with the
> Help view.
> Then the changes would be:
> * Don't show two entries in the menu, one for the local help and another
> for the social help.
> First, because in the cases where we have a help for the activity, is a
> good idea show
> that first, and add a button to go o the server if configured.
> * Right now, we show the Help menu only for activities with local Help
> available.
> We should show the menu always, and if not local help is available go to
> social page.
>

Do you have a UI design in mind?

Here is a quick mockup to start the conversation if you want:
http://people.sugarlabs.org/sam/mockup.png



>
> My main concern with this feature is how to solve the change to webkit2
> without break
> all the webservices. I think we should include the main (and working)
> webservices in the sugar code,
> port them to webkit2, and then land this feature.
>

That sounds like a good idea.

If worst comes to worst, we could use webkit1.  webkit2 has the new shiny
stuff and webkit1 is old, we will have to move someday and why not before
there are way too many web services!

Thanks,
Sam


>
> Gonzalo
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Sebastian Silva <
> sebastian at fuentelibre.org> wrote:
>
>>  Hi,
>>
>> For some reason this email found it's way into gmail's spam folder.
>>
>> However the topic is very important.
>>
>> I disagree that this implementation needs to be adopted.
>> In particular, most deployments still don't have a reliable connection to
>> the Internet and we don't want to introduce a dependency on it. Social help
>> might (and should) come from peers first.
>>
>> However, work has been ongoing from different deployments in this
>> (social) direction so it's generally accepted that Sugar needs it. Our own
>> work in Perú has been aligned with Alsroot's work on the Sugar Network ( we
>> developed the first UI, here's a short video explaining it:
>> http://somosazucar.org/2012/06/04/un-avance-de-la-red-azucar-0-3-sneak-peek-of-sugar-network-0-3/
>> ).
>>
>> This work is ongoing. It involves a very light local server capable of
>> synchronizing user resources asynchronously (including comments, bundles,
>> etc) *in both ways*.
>>
>> The effort is very much appreciated. I think we need to morph the
>> proposal into something that is generic or pluggable, and try to work with
>> Alsroot on this.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
>> On 19/04/15 20:59, Sam P. wrote:
>>
>>   Hi All,
>>
>>  One feature I'm proposing for the 0.106 cycle is Social Help.  Social
>> Help was previously proposed by Prasoon Shukla as a GSOC project, however
>> my proposal is slightly different.
>>
>>  Patch Link:  https://github.com/sugarlabs/sugar/pull/483/commits
>>  Feature Page:  http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Features/Social_Help
>>  YouTube Video Summary:  https://youtu.be/_WzwVZ60Tbw
>>
>>  I would like to invite discussion on the feature so we can land this
>> for 0.106.
>>
>>  Thanks,
>>  Sam
>>
>>
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