[Sugar-devel] Pootle SOS
Martin Abente
martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
Wed Aug 6 13:07:20 EDT 2014
Hello Chris,
Think you can make it to today's meeting?
Regards,
Martin.
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:29 AM, Martin Abente <
martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com> wrote:
> 22:00 UTC is fine! See you guys there!
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Matthew Ciao <matthew at laptop.org.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> anybody else who can make it for the time proposed by Bernie (22:00 UTC)?
>>
>> If not we can stick with 15:00 UTC.
>>
>> Thx,
>>
>> Matthew
>> On Aug 5, 2014 10:02 AM, "Matthew Ciao" <matthew at laptop.org.au> wrote:
>>
>>> 22:00 UTC works for me!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5 August 2014 10:00, Bernie Innocenti <bernie at codewiz.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> How about 22:00 UTC? It's 18:00 EDT and 8:00 AEST.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/converted.html?iso=20140806T18&p1=43&p2=152&p3=0&p4=137
>>>>
>>>> On 08/04/2014 07:15 PM, Matthew Ciao wrote:
>>>> > Hi all,
>>>> >
>>>> > this meeting translates to 1am for me so I will hardly be able to
>>>> join.
>>>> >
>>>> > Will follow any email update anyway!
>>>> >
>>>> > /Matthew/
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 5 August 2014 03:55, Martin Abente <martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Bernie Innocenti <
>>>> bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > On 07/31/2014 01:48 PM, Martin Abente wrote:
>>>> > > Hey guys,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > A few updates:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > * I just finished upgrading the exiting instance to Pootle
>>>> > 2.5.1.1
>>>> > > [1]. I don't know exactly what can I test to make sure
>>>> the
>>>> > upgrade
>>>> > > is working properly, @cjl suggestions?
>>>> > > * Next step would be a fix version control integration.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > A few concerns:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > * This update process feels like walking in the dark, the
>>>> > > documentation does not help much to understand what is
>>>> > expected to
>>>> > > work or what are the uses cases for our instance.
>>>> >
>>>> > Last time someone worked on Pootle, the documentation was
>>>> clearly
>>>> > incorrect. Somewhere, the documentation recommended deploying
>>>> > Pootle as
>>>> > a stand-alone process, directly listening on port 80 (i.e.
>>>> without
>>>> > Apache in front of it).
>>>> >
>>>> > So, yeah, take the documentation with a grain of salt.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > > * I honestly worry that maintaining the current instance
>>>> > (upgraded or
>>>> > > not) will not be possible in the long term.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > That was also my impression: Pootle looks like an
>>>> unmaintainable
>>>> > mess,
>>>> > and it's not getting better. In production, it crashes and
>>>> OOMs for
>>>> > mysterious reasons, and that's why it's now running on a
>>>> > separate VM.
>>>> >
>>>> > Pootle can certainly be debugged and ultimately fixed, but it
>>>> would
>>>> > require long-term involvement with upstream to make their
>>>> > codebase more
>>>> > robust.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > > How about a meeting this Wednesday, August 6? To discuss
>>>> about
>>>> > these
>>>> > > concerns and possible alternatives.
>>>> >
>>>> > Good idea. Can we do it at 11:00 EDT (15:00 UTC)?
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > 15:00 UTC (Wednesday, August 6) sounds good to me :)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > > 1. http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org/about/
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 2:21 AM, Matthew Ciao
>>>> > <matthew at laptop.org.au <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au>
>>>> > > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au
>>>> >>>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Let me know if you need any help up there Martin...
>>>> Django
>>>> > can be a
>>>> > > serious pain in the deck. :)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Cheers
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On 31 July 2014 00:25, Martin Abente
>>>> > <martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>
>>>> > > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Hey Matthew,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Thanks! Right now I am trying to figure out how to
>>>> upgrade
>>>> > > pootle packages, but after I am done we look at
>>>> that :)
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 10:20 AM, Matthew Ciao
>>>> > > <matthew at laptop.org.au <mailto:
>>>> matthew at laptop.org.au>
>>>> > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au
>>>> >>>
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Hi Martin,
>>>> > >
>>>> > > maybe if you have time you / we can also work
>>>> out
>>>> > a minimal
>>>> > > secure setup?
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Looks like newpootle needs a bit of firewalling
>>>> to
>>>> > start with:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > sudo /sbin/iptables -L -nv
>>>> > > Chain INPUT (policy ACCEPT 324 packets, 29890
>>>> bytes)
>>>> > > pkts bytes target prot opt in out
>>>> source
>>>> > > destination
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT 0 packets, 0 bytes)
>>>> > > pkts bytes target prot opt in out
>>>> source
>>>> > > destination
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 186 packets, 20370
>>>> bytes)
>>>> > > pkts bytes target prot opt in out
>>>> source
>>>> > > destination
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Cheers
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On 30 July 2014 17:46, Matthew Ciao
>>>> > <matthew at laptop.org.au <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au>
>>>> > > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au
>>>> > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au>>> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Thanks Bernie!
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Martin I enclose an apache vhost .conf file
>>>> > that should
>>>> > > work out of the box based on my
>>>> > reading/editing of the
>>>> > > one in production at the moment.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > There are a few edits so if you intend to
>>>> use
>>>> > it please
>>>> > > remove my comments! :D
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Cheers
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On 30 July 2014 12:28, Bernie Innocenti
>>>> > > <bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org> <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>>> wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Try logging in as
>>>> > bashintosh at newpootle.sugarlabs.org
>>>> > <mailto:bashintosh at newpootle.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > > <mailto:
>>>> bashintosh at newpootle.sugarlabs.org
>>>> > <mailto:bashintosh at newpootle.sugarlabs.org>>
>>>> > >
>>>> > > You have root on newpootle, but please
>>>> > coordinate
>>>> > > with Martin to avoid
>>>> > > stepping on each other's toes :-)
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On 07/29/2014 06:42 PM, Matthew Ciao
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > > Hi Martin,
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > do you have any .htaccess files in
>>>> your
>>>> > sites
>>>> > > directories?
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > If yes you need to review the
>>>> AllowOverride
>>>> > > directive in your config
>>>> > > > files and depending on what is in
>>>> > .htaccess you
>>>> > > may need to enable
>>>> > > > modules such as mod_rewrite.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Anyway the first deny directive you
>>>> have
>>>> > there
>>>> > > works for the main Apache
>>>> > > > document-root (/) which I assume is
>>>> > /srv/www/
>>>> > > itself: check your
>>>> > > > httpd.conf (or main config file under
>>>> > > /etc/apache2/) and look for the
>>>> > > > default document-root.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Creating an exception as you did to
>>>> > allow access
>>>> > > for /srv/www/ works but
>>>> > > > that way you slow down Apache a bit
>>>> > because first
>>>> > > it evaluates a deny
>>>> > > > then an allow directive for the same
>>>> > document-root.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > If you post all the config files we
>>>> can
>>>> > understand
>>>> > > even better.. :)
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Cheers
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On Wednesday, 30 July 2014, Martin
>>>> Abente
>>>> > > > <martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>
>>>> > > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>>
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>
>>>> > > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>>');>> wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Hello all,
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > The instance is back, I had to
>>>> made
>>>> > a few changes:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > 1. added ".conf" extension to
>>>> the site
>>>> > > configuration file
>>>> > > > 2. temporarily removed caching
>>>> > directives, I
>>>> > > still need to figure
>>>> > > > what can be use to replace
>>>> them.
>>>> > > > 3. changed some permissions [1].
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > @matthew can you re-check the
>>>> > configuration
>>>> > > file? I am not expert in
>>>> > > > apache so my fixes could be more
>>>> > like hacks.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Next step is trying to upgrade
>>>> > pootle version...
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Refs:
>>>> > > > 1.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> http://dabase.com/blog/AH01630:_client_denied_by_server_configuration/
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 9:41 PM,
>>>> > Matthew Ciao
>>>> > > > <matthew at laptop.org.au
>>>> > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au>
>>>> > > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au
>>>> > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au>>> wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Done!
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Sent it from my private email
>>>> > bashintosh
>>>> > > at gmail dot com
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On 29 July 2014 10:43, Bernie
>>>> > Innocenti
>>>> > > <bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org> <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>>> wrote:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > By the way, you don't even
>>>> > have a
>>>> > > shell account yet:
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/shell
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > Please apply now, you can
>>>> > use me as
>>>> > > your sponsor.
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > On 07/28/2014 07:52 PM,
>>>> > Matthew Ciao
>>>> > > wrote:
>>>> > > > > As a quick suggestion,
>>>> if you
>>>> > > haven't done it already I
>>>> > > > recommend to
>>>> > > > > start debugging by
>>>> looking
>>>> > at the
>>>> > > Apache logs
>>>> > > > (/var/log/apache2 on most
>>>> > > > > Debian-based systems).
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > A general health-check
>>>> on
>>>> > Apache
>>>> > > itself could also include:
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > * verify the server is
>>>> > running
>>>> > > (process)
>>>> > > > > * verify the server is
>>>> > listening
>>>> > > on the desired ports
>>>> > > > (netstat, lsof)
>>>> > > > > * check firewall rules
>>>> > (iptables
>>>> > > being a good place to
>>>> > > > start)
>>>> > > > > * inspect vhosts
>>>> > configurations
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Lemme know if you need
>>>> any
>>>> > help Martin,
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > /Matthew/
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > On 29 July 2014 01:27,
>>>> > Martin Abente
>>>> > > >
>>>> > <martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>
>>>> > > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>>
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>
>>>> > > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Ok!
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2014
>>>> > at 11:25
>>>> > > AM, Bernie Innocenti
>>>> > > > > <bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>
>>>> > > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>>
>>>> > > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>
>>>> > > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > Yes, I did it
>>>> > yesterday. The
>>>> > > machine boots, but
>>>> > > > the apache
>>>> > > > > virtual host
>>>> > > > > doesn't seem to
>>>> > work any more.
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > I'll leave the
>>>> > rest to you!
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > On 07/28/2014
>>>> > 10:53 AM,
>>>> > > Martin Abente wrote:
>>>> > > > > > Hey Bernie!
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Did you get
>>>> the
>>>> > time to
>>>> > > update the machine?
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > On Thu, Jul
>>>> 24,
>>>> > 2014 at
>>>> > > 7:56 PM, Matthew Ciao
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > <matthew at laptop.org.au <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au>
>>>> > > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au
>>>> > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au>>
>>>> > > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au
>>>> > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au>
>>>> > > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au
>>>> > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au>>>
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au
>>>> > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au>
>>>> > > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au
>>>> > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au>>
>>>> > > >
>>>> > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au>
>>>> > > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au
>>>> > <mailto:matthew at laptop.org.au>>>>>
>>>> > > > > wrote:
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Guys
>>>> please
>>>> > let me
>>>> > > know if there's anything
>>>> > > > I can do to help!
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > On 25 July
>>>> > 2014 04:01,
>>>> > > Martin Abente
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > <martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>
>>>> > > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>>
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>
>>>> > > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>>>
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>
>>>> > > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>>
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>
>>>> > > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com
>>>> > <mailto:martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com>>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Hey
>>>> Bernie!
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > I
>>>> > (literally) just
>>>> > > finished my first
>>>> > > > round of tests
>>>> > > > > setting up a
>>>> > > > > > pootle
>>>> > 2.5.1.1
>>>> > > instance from scratch.
>>>> > > > The results are
>>>> > > > > promising:
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > 1.
>>>> > Setting up a
>>>> > > pootle instance from
>>>> > > > scratch was very
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > straightforward.
>>>> > > > > > 2.
>>>> > Creating a new
>>>> > > project and
>>>> > > > integrating it with git
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > versioning was
>>>> > > also surprisingly
>>>> > > > straightforward.
>>>> > > > > In fact,
>>>> > > > > > no
>>>> > custom bits
>>>> > > were require to make
>>>> > > > pootle import
>>>> > > > > Sugar
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > project and
>>>> > > start making commits to
>>>> > > > the remote
>>>> > > > > repository.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Other
>>>> > premature
>>>> > > comments:
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > *
>>>> pootle
>>>> > > imported _almost_ all the
>>>> > > > languages, but I
>>>> > > > > had to
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > manually add
>>>> > > languages like
>>>> > > > "guarani". I still
>>>> > > > > don't know
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> why,
>>>> > ideas?
>>>> > > > > > * I
>>>> > still need
>>>> > > to check the SL wiki to
>>>> > > > have some
>>>> > > > > ideas of how
>>>> > > > > > it
>>>> > would be
>>>> > > better to organize the
>>>> > > > projects. IIRC, our
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> previous
>>>> > > pootle instance followed
>>>> > > > the same sugar
>>>> > > > > modules
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> like
>>>> > sucrose,
>>>> > > fructose, etc.
>>>> > > > Suggestions?
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > I
>>>> don't
>>>> > think I
>>>> > > will have the time to
>>>> > > > work on this
>>>> > > > > during the
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> weeking
>>>> > (because
>>>> > > of the wedding), but if
>>>> > > > you could
>>>> > > > > make sure the
>>>> > > > > > server
>>>> > is ready, I
>>>> > > can continue over the
>>>> > > > week.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Bernie if
>>>> > you don't
>>>> > > have time to work on
>>>> > > > what Martin needs
>>>> > > > > I can
>>>> > > > > > step in,
>>>> no
>>>> > problems
>>>> > > at all.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > Cheers!
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > On
>>>> Thu,
>>>> > Jul 24,
>>>> > > 2014 at 1:03 PM, Bernie
>>>> > > > Innocenti
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > <bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org> <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>>
>>>> > > > <mailto:
>>>> bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>
>>>> > > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>>>
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>
>>>> > > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>>
>>>> > > > <mailto:
>>>> bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>
>>>> > > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > Martin is
>>>> > > taking Pootle, but if you
>>>> > > > have time to
>>>> > > > > help with
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> it,
>>>> > I think
>>>> > > > > > it
>>>> > would be
>>>> > > appreciated.
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > I
>>>> > think I'll
>>>> > > start the work on
>>>> > > > Sunday. Martin,
>>>> > > > > would you
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> have
>>>> > time?
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > On
>>>> > 07/21/2014
>>>> > > 07:08 AM, Matthew Ciao
>>>> > > > wrote:
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> Hi
>>>> > folks,
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> it
>>>> > looks
>>>> > > like you're already in a
>>>> > > > good position
>>>> > > > > in terms
>>>> > > > > > of
>>>> > help from
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > rgs and/or
>>>> > > icarito so I don't
>>>> > > > think I would be
>>>> > > > > very useful
>>>> > > > > > at
>>>> > the meeting.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > This said,
>>>> > > if all goes bad please
>>>> > > > involve me in
>>>> > > > > the Pootle
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > mission as I
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> am
>>>> > more than
>>>> > > keen to lend a hand! :)
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> Best,
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > Matthew
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> On
>>>> > Jul 21,
>>>> > > 2014 4:15 AM, "Bernie
>>>> > > > Innocenti"
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > <bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org> <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>>
>>>> > > > <mailto:
>>>> bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>
>>>> > > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>>>
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>
>>>> > > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>>
>>>> > > > <mailto:
>>>> bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>
>>>> > > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>>>>
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org> <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>>
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>
>>>> > > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>>>
>>>> > > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org> <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>>
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>
>>>> > > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org
>>>> > <mailto:bernie at codewiz.org>>>>>>
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > +rgs,
>>>> > > +icarito (both of which
>>>> > > > expressed
>>>> > > > > interest in
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > supporting Pootle)
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> On
>>>> > > 07/20/2014 01:36 PM, Martin
>>>> > > > Abente wrote:
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > Hello
>>>> > > everyone,
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > What
>>>> > > about investing some
>>>> > > > minutes this
>>>> > > > > week to talk
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > about Pootle's
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> >
>>>> > > status, what is missing and
>>>> > > > how can we get
>>>> > > > > it back
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> to life?
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > I
>>>> > > suggest this Wednesday 23
>>>> > > > July, 13:00 UTC.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > It's a
>>>> > > bit early for me, and
>>>> > > > definitely too
>>>> > > > > early for rgs.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > Can we
>>>> > > do 15:00 UTC?
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > In case
>>>> > > I miss the meeting,
>>>> > > > here's a full
>>>> > > > > dump of my mind:
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > - you,
>>>> > > rgs and icarito
>>>> > > > already have root to
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > newpootle.sugarlabs.org
>>>> > <http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org> <
>>>> http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > > > <
>>>> http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > <http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > > > <
>>>> http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > <http://newpootle.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > - full
>>>> > > backups of the old
>>>> > > > pootle machine are on
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > freedom, and
>>>> > > all of you
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > have
>>>> > > root access there too
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> -
>>>> > > Sysadmin documentation is
>>>> > > > in the usual
>>>> > > > > place (the
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > wiki). There are
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > several
>>>> > > pages written by the
>>>> > > > previous Pootle
>>>> > > > > maintainers:
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/translate
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Pootle
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Service/Pootle2.5
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Machine/pootle
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > The
>>>> > > documentation needs to be
>>>> > > > consolidated
>>>> > > > > into a
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > single page and
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > updated.
>>>> > > *PLEASE*, don't
>>>> > > > neglect this step;
>>>> > > > > it will
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> save
>>>> > a lot of time
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> to
>>>> > > future maintainers.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > - The
>>>> > > newpootle machine is
>>>> > > > still running
>>>> > > > > Ubuntu 12.04
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> LTS.
>>>> > I strongly
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > recommend upgrading it to
>>>> > > > 14.04 (trusty) before
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > proceeding. It
>>>> > > won't
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > take
>>>> > > more than 1h of work and
>>>> > > > I can do this.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> -
>>>> > > There's an outdated
>>>> > > > instance of Pootle
>>>> > > > > already
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > running on
>>>> > > newpootle.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > It was
>>>> > > setup by a previous
>>>> > > > volunteer, but never
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > transitioned into
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > production due to difficulties
>>>> > > > with the git
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > integration
>>>> > > (iirc, cjl might
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > have
>>>> > > more on this).
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > - I
>>>> > > strongly recommend
>>>> > > > upgrading to the latest
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > release of
>>>> > > Pootle before
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > doing
>>>> > > anything else.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > - Then,
>>>> > > the database and data
>>>> > > > from the
>>>> > > > > backups needs
>>>> > > > > > to
>>>> > be restored and
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > probably
>>>> > > converted to the
>>>> > > > Pootle 2.5 format
>>>> > > > > (good luck
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> with
>>>> > Django db
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > migration!)
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> -
>>>> > > Finally, the part where all
>>>> > > > past
>>>> > > > > maintainers seem
>>>> > > > > > to
>>>> > get stuck: make
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > the
>>>> > > Pootle <-> git integration
>>>> > > > work. I don't
>>>> > > > > know what
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> the
>>>> > actual
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > problem
>>>> > > is; pushing to git
>>>> > > > should be a basic
>>>> > > > > feature
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> of a
>>>> > translation
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > system
>>>> > > and I'm surprised this
>>>> > > > can't be made
>>>> > > > > to work
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> out
>>>> > of the box.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > - When
>>>> > > everything works (and
>>>> > > > please test it
>>>> > > > > well,
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > Pootle likes
>>>> > > to crash
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > and burn
>>>> > > under load), we can
>>>> > > > change the DNS
>>>> > > > > to point
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> the
>>>> > CNAME
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > translate.sugarlabs.org
>>>> > <http://translate.sugarlabs.org> <
>>>> http://translate.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > > > <
>>>> http://translate.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > <http://translate.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > <http://translate.sugarlabs.org>
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > <http://translate.sugarlabs.org> to
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > newpootle. Follow the
>>>> > > > Service/nameserver
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > documentation page to do this,
>>>> > > > or I can do
>>>> > > > > it in 2
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> minutes.
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> --
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > _ //
>>>> > > Bernie Innocenti
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > \X/
>>>> > > http://codewiz.org
>>>> > > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > > --
>>>> > > > > > _
>>>> > // Bernie
>>>> > > Innocenti
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> \X/
>>>> > > http://codewiz.org
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > > --
>>>> > > > > _ // Bernie
>>>> Innocenti
>>>> > > > > \X/
>>>> > http://codewiz.org
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > > --
>>>> > > > _ // Bernie Innocenti
>>>> > > > \X/ http://codewiz.org
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > --
>>>> > > _ // Bernie Innocenti
>>>> > > \X/ http://codewiz.org
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > _ // Bernie Innocenti
>>>> > \X/ http://codewiz.org
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> _ // Bernie Innocenti
>>>> \X/ http://codewiz.org
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
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