[Sugar-devel] SugarGames, GTK3 and fonts ?

[laurent bernabe]

Aplogiezes : I did not read very well : for the compatibility with old
sugar versions, you said that a wrapper should be available. So this point
is not a problem.


2013/9/25 laurent bernabe <laurent.bernabe at gmail.com>

> I thought about translating my application into a Sugar Web applications,
> but :
>
>    - I don't know well sugar web library (sorry, I went to the developper
>    page, looking at sources :
>    http://developer.sugarlabs.org/sugar-web/README.md.html)
>    - The resulting program will probably not be compatible with sugar
>    0.94 to 0.98
>
> Otherwise I am very interested in writing a sugar web version, using
> KinectJs for example.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> 2013/9/25 Daniel Narvaez <dwnarvaez at gmail.com>
>
>> Personally I wouldn't use gtk to write a game. As far as I know, a 2d
>> drawing API (cairo) is pretty much all you are going to get from it.
>>
>> I would either keep using pygame, which doesn't integrate very well with
>> gtk (and hence sugar), but it works in the end.
>>
>> Or even better I would use sugar-web. A wrapper should be possible even
>> for very old version of sugar, in theory.
>>
>>
>> On 25 September 2013 13:23, laurent bernabe <laurent.bernabe at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I've applied the patch : but, as Gonzalo Odiard made me notice, perhaps
>>> I'd better not rely on deprecated sugargame library any more : right ?
>>> So I think I have to use plain gtk3 fonts and canvas (is there one ? I
>>> did not find any note on the official python GTK3 tutorial :
>>> http://python-gtk-3-tutorial.readthedocs.org/en/latest/), and also make
>>> an activity class for the integration with the olpc (toolbar).
>>>
>>> Or can I use Pygames without the sugargame layer ? Because PyGame make
>>> animations coding easier : I remember that in GTK2 I had some pains for
>>> using threads : because in PyGTK2 there was a kind of restriction (though I
>>> can't remember which) with threads coding.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/9/25 laurent bernabe <laurent.bernabe at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Thank you very much : I'll apply those changes today.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/9/25 Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn <alanjas at hotmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Copy the patch to your GIT folder and do:
>>>>>
>>>>> git apply 0001-....
>>>>>
>>>>> After, if you like the changes, can commit them.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Pygame, when you do:
>>>>>
>>>>> font = pygame.font.Font(None, 30)
>>>>>
>>>>> It selects the default font of the system (I don't know the name).
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want to see all fonts:
>>>>>
>>>>> all_fonts = pygame.font.get_fonts()
>>>>>
>>>>> Or load a specific font:
>>>>>
>>>>> font = pygame.font.Font("path/to/the/font/my_font.ttf", 30)
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards!
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 20:32:27 +0200
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarGames, GTK3 and fonts ?
>>>>> From: laurent.bernabe at gmail.com
>>>>> To: alanjas at hotmail.com
>>>>> CC: gonzalo at laptop.org; sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your patch Alan : how must I apply them ? (I have not used
>>>>> patch before).
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I am very happy that you purpose me to develop the GTK2 version :)
>>>>> I have tried to do my best to code in respect with pep8 (using
>>>>> autopep8 program) and pyflakes.
>>>>>
>>>>> What are the default fonts in Sugar ? (Sorry, I did not look for
>>>>> standards)
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/9/24 Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn <alanjas at hotmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have this patchs for you.
>>>>> One to evite track .pyc and other extensions that no have sense add to
>>>>> git.
>>>>>
>>>>> The second, it's a few of changes for that you code works with
>>>>> Sugargames
>>>>> library.
>>>>> You must make another few of changes. I use the default font, for
>>>>> example.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want, you can do the GTK3 version and I translate to GTK2 :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards!
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 14:56:31 -0300
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarGames, GTK3 and fonts ?
>>>>> From: gonzalo at laptop.org
>>>>> To: laurent.bernabe at gmail.com
>>>>> CC: alanjas at hotmail.com; sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>>>
>>>>> No problem.
>>>>> In fact, tusmath is a c game, and that is a problem,
>>>>> because is not multiplatform.
>>>>> Go ahead, but look at it to see what they do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gonzalo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:49 PM, laurent bernabe <
>>>>> laurent.bernabe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Oups sorry
>>>>>
>>>>> I did not notice that there was a similar game.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact, I am lacking ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/9/24 Gonzalo Odiard <gonzalo at laptop.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you add a mode similar to tuxmath,
>>>>> may be we can kill that game finally......
>>>>>
>>>>> While the pedagogy of tuxmath is not the best,
>>>>> every deployment ask for it
>>>>>
>>>>> Gonzalo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 2:37 PM, laurent bernabe <
>>>>> laurent.bernabe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> So I think I'll try to develop for both GTK2 and GTK3.
>>>>>
>>>>>  It's a game, and I have nearly finished it for OLPC 0.100 :
>>>>> https://git.sugarlabs.org/hittheballs/hittheballs
>>>>>
>>>>> It's a very simple game where balls with operations goes across a
>>>>> screen area, and user must choose good one(s).
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/9/24 Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn <alanjas at hotmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> My case:
>>>>>
>>>>> - I use Ubuntu with sugar-emulator 0.96 to test GTK2 activities. Only
>>>>> with a link of my GIT folder
>>>>> to ~/Activities and I'm ready to test it!
>>>>>
>>>>> - For latest: I download the sugar-build and works. But in certain
>>>>> moment, it begin with a grade of complex
>>>>> that I don't like. Now with the broot system, it's a bit complicated.
>>>>> But "is what you get".
>>>>>
>>>>> To make a GTK2 and GTK3 activity you need make 2 codes, and maybe, two
>>>>> different
>>>>> activities. There are ways in python to check wich version of gtk you
>>>>> have in the system
>>>>> and run a gtk2 or gtk3 activity. But that needs extra work to update
>>>>> both "branchs".
>>>>>
>>>>> >So what do you advice me ? (developping in GTK2, GTK3, and/or web
>>>>> activity)
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know wich type of activity you want to do. It's a game?
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:21:17 +0200
>>>>> From: laurent.bernabe at gmail.com
>>>>> To: alanjas at hotmail.com
>>>>> CC: gonzalo at laptop.org; sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarGames, GTK3 and fonts ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact I am developping against GTK3 because I have the latest
>>>>> sugar-build, which holds the 0.100 version.
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise, I can download the 0.94 or some versions under in
>>>>> SugarOnAStick format, or in a VirtualBox format : but this way I have
>>>>> difficulties for transferring easily the project from my host system to the
>>>>> guest sugar one. I tried, in VirtualBox, to use the guest additions in
>>>>> order to share a folder between the host and guest systems (some years
>>>>> ago), but I did not manage.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I don't know how to develop the application so that it supports
>>>>> both gtk2 and gtk3.
>>>>>
>>>>> And I was also planning to port the activity to a web acitvity,
>>>>> instead of a gtk one, but it may not be available to many OLPC that way.
>>>>> And I don't know where to start.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what do you advice me ? (developping in GTK2, GTK3, and/or web
>>>>> activity)
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/9/24 Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn <alanjas at hotmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> You only will make a GTK3 version?
>>>>> The latest sugar (0.100) is not used in any deployment:
>>>>> in all countries we have Sugar 0.94 or less.
>>>>>
>>>>> Would be good have a GTK2 version of that activity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards!
>>>>>
>>>>> Alan
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:45:13 +0200
>>>>> From: laurent.bernabe at gmail.com
>>>>> To: gonzalo at laptop.org
>>>>> CC: sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SugarGames, GTK3 and fonts ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll try with Python/Cairo/Gtk3.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2013/9/24 Gonzalo Odiard <gonzalo at laptop.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you are not porting a existing olpcgames application,
>>>>> I suggest you use something else.
>>>>> You can use any of the html5 frameworks, or plain python/cairo stuff.
>>>>> sugargames de not have to much development,
>>>>> and pygame/gtk do not work really well together.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gonzalo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:16 AM, laurent bernabe <
>>>>> laurent.bernabe at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>
>>>>> As I am developping my game HitTheBalls for sugar 0.100 (I have, I
>>>>> think, the latest sugar-build), I am planning to switch it from OLPCGames
>>>>> 1.6 to sugargames.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the sugargames tells that pango font is not supported. So, what is
>>>>> the best way to get started with fonts in SugarGames ? Do you have some
>>>>> links ? I searched over the web, and I found tutorials for Gtk3 and
>>>>> PangoCairo, but I don't know if these can work with SugarGames.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
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