[Sugar-devel] Layout with gtk3

[Gonzalo Odiard]

You are right. I understand your point now, and I apologize by that.
I should try your proposed patch before reply too.
May be I am overworked, but is not a good excuse :(
will try to do better....

Gonzalo


On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:25 AM, Daniel Narvaez <dwnarvaez at gmail.com>wrote:

> On 21 November 2013 13:03, Gonzalo Odiard <gonzalo at laptop.org> wrote:
>
>
>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:58 AM, Daniel Narvaez <dwnarvaez at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Sigh.
>>>
>>> It's promoted by the gtk developers in their documentation, not by me.
>>> It's designed as a replacement for all the other layout containers. I'm
>>> forwarding their recommendation.
>>>
>>> Also I've been trying it myself before suggesting it in a speficic case,
>>> as I did for your patch.
>>>
>>> Gonzalo, please can you try to be a little more friendly to people
>>> contributions? You are not going to discourage me, but this kind of
>>> attitude puts off contributors and that's the last thing we need. Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>> Is not my intention to be not friendly.
>> I will try to do better, but please, do not read my comment as bad
>> attitude.
>> I do not read your patch corrections as you have bad attitude with my
>> work.
>>
>
>
> I know it's not your intention, I'm not taking it personally. But I think
> you are often being dismissive and that hurts our effort to build a strong
> community.
>
> You didn't post a correction to my suggestion. I would have taken a "Are
> you insane Gtk.Grid sucks because..." well. I love to be corrected.
>
> Let me summarize what happened:
>
> * You posted a patch. It was suboptimal because it created 3 boxes to
> layout 2 widgets.
> * I knew gtk3 had a better way to do this kind of stuff but I never played
> with it. So I spent an hour understanding how it worked and wrote you an
> example of how to rework your code to use it.
> * I noticed our code is basically doing gtk2 layout using gtk3 (in new
> code), which is bad both for code clarity and performance. So I thought it
> would be good to let everyone know about the new cool stuff in gtk3 and
> what gtk developers recommends.
>
> Instead of commenting on the technical merit of the proposal, you
> dismissed it. You said *I* should *prove* it's a good idea before
> recommending it. That way you showed no interest in the idea I posted, only
> fear that it might hurt. Can we agree that's a dismissive attitude? Do you
> expect people will get involved if you show no interest of working *with*
> them? Notice how this is exactly the same thing that got Sebastian mad
> couple of days ago...
>
> And here you have not just been dismissive, you are also plain wrong. If
> the developers of the toolkit we use suggest something in their
> documentation, I don't think I need to prove they are right. *You* need to
> prove they are wrong about their own toolkit.
>
> To answer your irc question. Having been in your situation myself, I don't
> think this is matter of communication skills (not mainly at least, we know
> language gets in the way a lot). It's more of an overworked maintainer
> mindset... Contributions that doesn't help your immediate goals naturally
> feels more like a treat than a gift. But it's chicken and egg, you are
> going to be overworked until we have a strong community around this project
> and we are not going to have one until we dismiss contributions.
>
> We have an history of being overworked and of being dismissive (like many
> other free software projects). We need to learn from that history.
>
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