[Sugar-devel] [FEATURES][DESIGN] Network proxy configuration

[Martin Abente]

Is it different from relying on a modem and having a wrong modem-config?

I think there are scenarios where "normal" includes the proper
proxy-config, otherwise browse won't work either.

On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:33 PM, James Cameron <quozl at laptop.org> wrote:

> But with modem-config a child cannot stop normal operation.
>
> With proxy, the child can stop normal operation, in that no Browse
> will work with wrong proxy.
>
> I think proxy configuration should be an optional extension that is
> disabled by default, allowing a deployment to enable it.
>
> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:23:53PM -0400, Martin Abente wrote:
> > I think this feature (proxy-config) is useful, just as the modem-config
> is,
> > which is included now.
> >
> > dsd's brings a valid questioning of whether this kind of "technical"
> features
> > should be included or not. I think this particular matter requires a
> broader
> > discussion about how we could conciliate sugar's education objectives
> and its
> > interface responsibilities.
> >
> > Until we can do that, the Network CP UI seems a good place.
> >
> > Just my opinion.
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Sameer Verma <sverma at sfsu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >     On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Gonzalo Odiard <gonzalo at laptop.org>
> wrote:
> >     > While I understand your point about the radio checkbox,
> >     > this show a few bugs or fails in design in Sugar too.
> >     > Trying right now I see:
> >     > * The text is confusing:
> >     > "Turn off the wireless radio to save battery life"
> >     > [] Radio
> >     >
> >     > Checked is on or off? What means Radio? Is not clear
> >     >
> >
> >     Should be a radio button. Wi-Fi on/off.
> >     http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.education.sugar.devel/34909
> >
> >     Sameer
> >
> >     > * After uncheck the checkbox, go to the neightborview,
> >     > the ap are not visible but the ad-hoc are.
> >     > If there are not network, the ad-hoc is not working, right?
> >     >
> >     > * May be we can show a message in the neighborview.
> >     > "The radio/wireless interface is down, go to the control panel to
> use it"
> >     > or similar. The same in the device icon in the frame.
> >     >
> >     > All these issues probably help to make worst the situation.
> >     >
> >     > About the network proxy configuration, I agree is better have a
> automatic
> >     > configuration _if_possible_, but there are times when is not
> possible,
> >     > then we should provide a solution. Has been a request for a long
> time,
> >     > and the development is already 90% done
> >     >
> >     > Gonzalo
> >     >
> >     > On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Daniel Drake <dsd at laptop.org>
> wrote:
> >     >>
> >     >> On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Alan Jhonn Aguiar Schwyn
> >     >> <alanjas at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >     >> >>One problem that I have seen in various places, children untick
> the
> >     >> >>"Radio enable" checkbox in Sugar's control panel and then
> return their
> >     >> >>laptop for repair because they can't get online. I fear that
> proxy
> >     >> >>configuration could become support headache like this.
> >     >> >
> >     >> > Thinking in the same way, we must block the command "rm" from
> the
> >     >> > terminal because the childrens can remove important files. Or
> the
> >     >> > command "mv" because generates that an activity no works....
> >     >>
> >     >> I can see why you might think that way. However, I have never
> >     >> experienced this being a problem, and I don't recall seeing other
> >     >> reports of this, so I would not argue for any blocking of terminal
> >     >> commands. The radio checkbox is a real headache that *actually
> >     >> happens* though.
> >     >>
> >     >> Taking a guess as to why we see the radio problem but not the
> terminal
> >     >> one in our field experiences, I would imagine the crucial
> difference
> >     >> is that the radio checkbox is presented in a way that it is easily
> >     >> accessible but commonly uncomprehendable to our regular user
> base. In
> >     >> comparison, those dangerous commands in the terminal are in their
> own
> >     >> world of inaccessibility...
> >     >>
> >     >> Daniel
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> James Cameron
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