[Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18

Kevin Mark kevin.mark at verizon.net
Mon Sep 24 01:24:25 EDT 2012



--- On Mon, 9/24/12, Gonzalo Odiard <gonzalo at laptop.org> wrote:

From: Gonzalo Odiard <gonzalo at laptop.org>
Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Sugar Digest 2012-09-18
To: "Flavio Danesse" <fdanesse at gmail.com>
Cc: "Kevin Mark" <kevin.mark at verizon.net>, sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org, "James Cameron" <quozl at laptop.org>, "S. Daniel Francis" <francis at sugarlabs.org>
Date: Monday, September 24, 2012, 1:08 AM

Flavio,Estoy de acuerdo que para enseñar programación, agregar la problemática de comprender otro idioma a la de comprender el lenguaje de programación en si, no tiene demasiado sentido.Lo que si creo que tiene sentido, y esto tu y yo lo hemos hablado varias veces, pero como has dado tu punto de vista, voy a dar el mio, es que usemos un lenguaje comun para tratar de compartir esfuerzos y no multiplicar el trabajo. Imaginate lo que pasaría si la gente de Nepal, de Rwanda, latino america, y ahora las islas Fiji, cada uno tuviera que hacer su reproductor de videos y audio, su actividad para sacar fotos, etc.
El costo en esfuerzo y tiempo que se invierte es altísimo. En la práctica es mas alto del que podemos afrontar como comunidad, porque aun no hemos logrado todo lo que nos proponemos.Entonces, esta barbaro usar los lenguajes locales para enseñar y aprender, algunos miembros de esas comunidades y algunos proyectos creceran hasta poder compartirse y alli es mejor contar con un idioma comun. Hoy es el ingles, en cien años, veremos.

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I agree with you when you say, to teach programming, add the need to learn a foreign language to the fact of learning the programming language, does not have too much sense.
But have sense (and we talked about this a few times, but you have your point, and I have my point too) use a common language to share efforts and avoid multiply the job. Imagine if people from Nepal, Rwanda, Latin America, and now Fiji, need create his own video player, record activity, etc. 
The cost in time and effort is too high. In fact, is higher than the effort we can do as a community, because we haven't reach all what we want.Then, is ok use local language to teach and learn, some of the community members and some projects will grow up until be shared and then is better use a common language. Today is english, in 100 years, will see.
   Gonzalo

I think a certain comparison comes to mind from learning about Debian-edu/OLPC. There are tools you use to learn learing and learn skills and tools you use to do work. To learn programming, you should use what is easiest and useful to do it (like python and Spanish comments), but when you are going to collaborate with many non-English people, then you turn to the common language, English.
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