[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Examples objects support for activities.

[Gary Martin]

Hi Martin,

On 4 Sep 2012, at 03:05, Martin Abente <martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com> wrote:

> @gonzalo: Regarding gtk2->gtk3, no problem, I wil do it ASAP.
> 
> @gonzalo & bert: I would go for the simpler solution. But is really important that we can agree on this.
> 
> @gonzalo: regarding the icon, I think the activity icon works fine, but maybe someone else can give us more feedback to see which one is better to choose (maybe @gary?).

Yes need to look at this, the activity icon gets used in many places these days for slightly different meanings, we will wear them out if we are not careful! ;) /me wonders if we can badge the Activity icon with a small box/collection icon.

> @gonzalo: setting the examples option as first is no big deal.
> 
> Before doing anything I think we should agree on these changes. Maybe at tomorrow's design meeting? If these is one, at least informal.

Apologies, I know we missed last weeks official meeting as well, but the first 13.0 build triage meeting is today (due to a US holiday yesterday). I at least will not manage a design meeting today.

Regards,
--Gary

> Thank you guys for the feedback :) Lets keep pushing this!
> 
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Gonzalo Odiard <godiard at gmail.com> wrote:
> Another note:
> 
> Thinking in the use case of a developer adding the ObjectChoser with the intention
> of show to the users the examples directory content,
> like TurtleArt today use a FileChooser, 
> probably would be good have a option to set the examples directory as the first displayed
> instead of displaying the content of the Journal, and then the user need change to 
> the examples directory.
> I don't know how difficult is implement it, but have sense from the point of view 
> of the usability.
> 
> Gonzalo
> 
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Gonzalo Odiard <godiard at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, we are so busy, these days...
> 
> I have tested it, and works as expected.
> 
> A few comments:
> 
> * gtk2 branch is in maintenance mode now, probably is better port this to the gtk3 branch.
> (Anyway need opinion of sugar maintainers)
> 
> * IMHO the code added to enable configure the examples directory is so complicate,
> and do not add too much value. I think is better use a fixed "examples" or "samples"
> (as in TurtleArt). If the maintainer want use it, should follow the convention.
> We do the same, by example with the "icons" directory.
> 
> * Finally, I think the button in the ObjectChooser deserve a special icon, and not use the activity icon.
> Probably using the "box" metaphor. 
> 
> Thanks by the work and patience :)
> Keep pushing! (my new motto)
> 
> Gonzalo
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Martin Abente <martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com> wrote:
> Its been too quiet recently.
> 
> Apart from Bert I have not received any feedback from the current "functional design" concept.
> 
> Anyone still interested? :)
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Martin Abente <martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com> wrote:
> Nice! Please also give it a try :)
> 
> @Gary, Gonzalo, ping ;) both patches are here: http://www.sugarlabs.org/~tch/patches/examples/
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de> wrote:
> On 2012-08-22, at 04:27, Martin Abente wrote:
> 
> > Hello everyone:
> >
> > From the meeting notes and Bert suggestion I have what could be called the version 2 of this feature, greatly simplified and complies with everyones rightful suggestions.
> >
> > To avoid spaming (for some time) the sugar-devel ML I will post the patches just here:
> >
> > sugar: http://www.sugarlabs.org/~tch/patches/examples/sugar/0001-Examples-objects-support-V2.patch
> > sugar-toolkit: http://www.sugarlabs.org/~tch/patches/examples/sugar-toolkit/0001-Examples_path-activity-info.patch
> >
> > Feedback is welcome!
> > tch
> 
> I have not tried it, but by eyeballing the code looks fine :)
> 
> - Bert -
> 
> 
> > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Martin Abente <martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I don't see why not, we can achieve both things :). Maybe someone have another opinion regarding this?
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Bert Freudenberg <bert at freudenbergs.de> wrote:
> > On 2012-08-21, at 20:17, Martin Abente wrote:
> >
> > > The design I implemented works like this:
> > >
> > > a. activity developers or deployments add a new "examples" folder inside the activity bundle with their examples objects.
> > > b. when the activity starts, the example folder will be accessible through the journal as new volume option, and also from __any__ ObjectChooser.
> > > c. Only one volume button will be shown, even when many instances of the activity are running.
> > > d. The example folder will disappear from the journal when the last instance is closed.
> > > [...]
> > > Waiting for more feedback... :)
> >
> > And in another thread:
> >
> > >> instead of a magic directory name, couldn't the activity.info file have a new entry giving the examples path?
> > >
> >
> > > What I tried, or I am trying, to do is to make this feature available as easy as we can, so even deployments could add their own examples with very little technical knowledge requirements. That why I try this convention (magical) idea.
> >
> >
> > Okay, so by default it should look for a directory named "examples". But maybe a different path could be set in activity.info?
> >
> > - Bert -
> >
> >
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