[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] Examples objects support for activities.

[Martin Abente]

@gonzalo: Regarding gtk2->gtk3, no problem, I wil do it ASAP.

@gonzalo & bert: I would go for the simpler solution. But is really
important that we can agree on this.

@gonzalo: regarding the icon, I think the activity icon works fine, but
maybe someone else can give us more feedback to see which one is better to
choose (maybe @gary?).

@gonzalo: setting the examples option as first is no big deal.

Before doing anything I think we should agree on these changes. Maybe at
tomorrow's design meeting? If these is one, at least informal.

Thank you guys for the feedback :) Lets keep pushing this!

On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Gonzalo Odiard <godiard at gmail.com> wrote:

> Another note:
>
> Thinking in the use case of a developer adding the ObjectChoser with the
> intention
> of show to the users the examples directory content,
> like TurtleArt today use a FileChooser,
> probably would be good have a option to set the examples directory as the
> first displayed
> instead of displaying the content of the Journal, and then the user need
> change to
> the examples directory.
> I don't know how difficult is implement it, but have sense from the point
> of view
> of the usability.
>
> Gonzalo
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Gonzalo Odiard <godiard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, we are so busy, these days...
>>
>> I have tested it, and works as expected.
>>
>> A few comments:
>>
>> * gtk2 branch is in maintenance mode now, probably is better port this to
>> the gtk3 branch.
>> (Anyway need opinion of sugar maintainers)
>>
>> * IMHO the code added to enable configure the examples directory is so
>> complicate,
>> and do not add too much value. I think is better use a fixed "examples"
>> or "samples"
>> (as in TurtleArt). If the maintainer want use it, should follow the
>> convention.
>> We do the same, by example with the "icons" directory.
>>
>> * Finally, I think the button in the ObjectChooser deserve a special
>> icon, and not use the activity icon.
>> Probably using the "box" metaphor.
>>
>> Thanks by the work and patience :)
>> Keep pushing! (my new motto)
>>
>> Gonzalo
>>
>>
>>  On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Martin Abente <
>> martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Its been too quiet recently.
>>>
>>> Apart from Bert I have not received any feedback from the current
>>> "functional design" concept.
>>>
>>> Anyone still interested? :)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Martin Abente <
>>> martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nice! Please also give it a try :)
>>>>
>>>> @Gary, Gonzalo, ping ;) both patches are here:
>>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org/~tch/patches/examples/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Bert Freudenberg <
>>>> bert at freudenbergs.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2012-08-22, at 04:27, Martin Abente wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Hello everyone:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > From the meeting notes and Bert suggestion I have what could be
>>>>> called the version 2 of this feature, greatly simplified and complies with
>>>>> everyones rightful suggestions.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > To avoid spaming (for some time) the sugar-devel ML I will post the
>>>>> patches just here:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > sugar:
>>>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org/~tch/patches/examples/sugar/0001-Examples-objects-support-V2.patch
>>>>> > sugar-toolkit:
>>>>> http://www.sugarlabs.org/~tch/patches/examples/sugar-toolkit/0001-Examples_path-activity-info.patch
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Feedback is welcome!
>>>>> > tch
>>>>>
>>>>> I have not tried it, but by eyeballing the code looks fine :)
>>>>>
>>>>> - Bert -
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Martin Abente <
>>>>> martin.abente.lahaye at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > I don't see why not, we can achieve both things :). Maybe someone
>>>>> have another opinion regarding this?
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:07 PM, Bert Freudenberg <
>>>>> bert at freudenbergs.de> wrote:
>>>>> > On 2012-08-21, at 20:17, Martin Abente wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > The design I implemented works like this:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > a. activity developers or deployments add a new "examples" folder
>>>>> inside the activity bundle with their examples objects.
>>>>> > > b. when the activity starts, the example folder will be accessible
>>>>> through the journal as new volume option, and also from __any__
>>>>> ObjectChooser.
>>>>> > > c. Only one volume button will be shown, even when many instances
>>>>> of the activity are running.
>>>>> > > d. The example folder will disappear from the journal when the
>>>>> last instance is closed.
>>>>> > > [...]
>>>>> > > Waiting for more feedback... :)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > And in another thread:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > >> instead of a magic directory name, couldn't the activity.infofile have a new entry giving the examples path?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > What I tried, or I am trying, to do is to make this feature
>>>>> available as easy as we can, so even deployments could add their own
>>>>> examples with very little technical knowledge requirements. That why I try
>>>>> this convention (magical) idea.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Okay, so by default it should look for a directory named "examples".
>>>>> But maybe a different path could be set in activity.info?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > - Bert -
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
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>> --
>> Gonzalo Odiard
>>
>>
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> Gonzalo Odiard
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