[Sugar-devel] Fwd: sugar ui

[David Brown]

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From: David Brown <djhbrown at gmail.com>
Date: 10 August 2012 12:13
Subject: sugar ui
To: Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com>, xorduino at gmail.com,
volunteer at laptop.org


dear olpcers,

i am a recently retired computer scientist who would like to contribute
design ideas to the project.   my cv is
here<https://sites.google.com/site/djhbrown2/CV.doc>
.

having looked at the sugar interface, my first impression is that it needs
a complete rework.  i do not know what its users (kids) make of it though,
nor can i find any data on user experiences.

i'm disappointed not to find any openly-published separately-produced k12
stuff on xo; perhaps it is all platform-dependent?  sugar is based on
fedora i believe, so would it run any app written for fedora?

aside from that, i would be interested to contribute to an english language
learning project.  there is a ton of stuff already out there which could be
collected together, rather than reinvent the wheel.

is there a software development management structure?  who makes the
release decisions?

is there an olpc executive operations management structure?  why isnt olpc
in bed with national school curriculum/materials organisations?  or maybe
it is - but if so, why aren't xos available to schools who can afford to
buy them?

what is the target age range of xo users?

i like the notion of sugar network, but when i look at the screenshots on
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Network/Tutorial i find it hard to
imagine what a child would do with it.  a screen full of coloured x's does
not convey any useful information other than the number of them... it reads
as if it was made by unix enthusiasts for unix enthusiasts

scott's blog mentions an effort last year to develop narrative interfaces -
this sounds like a good idea, did anything come of it?  i looked at the
video by Angela Chang but couldn't find any contact info for her.  i
noticed the text she was displaying is not read out aloud at the time it is
displayed, which i would have thought is vital for a language learning
tool.  she also seems to be of a mind that children would use it with their
parents in attendance, but children need to be able to learn a foreign
language without their parents' help.

this raises a general point, surely xo needs to be an "obvious" interface??
(ie users should not need any outside help to use it.  it should be "ready
to hand").

david

website <http://sites.google.com/site/djhbrown2/home>
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On 10 August 2012 01:58, Frederick Grose <fgrose at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 12:51 AM, David Brown <djhbrown at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> thanks for your comprehensive reply, Fred.  i have looked at the links
>> you cited.  i am surprised olpc is still using irc chat and mail lists - is
>> there an operational reason for this?
>
>
> The hardware & software developers at OLPC and Sugar Labs are most
> comfortable with IRC and mailing lists as they are part of their current
> cultural tradition (they feel part of<http://wiki.laptop.org/go/OLPC:What_we_mean_by_free_and_open>the free/libre/open-source
> software <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open-source_software>tradition). Many are loath to using alternative, especially commercial
> software.  The support staff and others at OLPC might be excepted from this
> characterization (in my estimation) as their work tools must align with
> standard business software.
>
> things like design require a lot of thought, and chat is not the best way
>> to provoke thought, as exemplified by the inanity of academic department
>> meetings!.  chat is good for one-on-one socialising though.
>>
>> here is one basic principle i would advocate:the xo interface (which is
>> intendedly predicated upon activity and communication) needs to be good
>> enough (suitable) for xo developers to use it for their own group
>> communication.... it's clearly not as it stands.
>>
>> you mention "developers" and i read somewhere about "core developers".  i
>> imagine there is a team somewhere, probably in Miami, that drives the
>> development.  those are the people i would like to communicate with to
>> start with, to jointly come up with a better basic design than the current
>> one.   then it could be implemented, bench tested and then beta tested on
>> the user community.
>>
>
> The basic Sugar design came from Pentagram<http://new.pentagram.com/2006/12/new-work-one-laptop-per-child/>
> 's Lisa Strausfeld, Christian Marc Schmidt and Takaaki Okada
> collaborating with Walter Bender and Eben Eliason at OLPC.  Only Walter
> Bender is active with Sugar Labs or OLPC.
>
> C. Scott Ananian, Director of New Technologies at OLPC, has a blog<http://cananian.livejournal.com/>that tracks his thinking and work.  Other current design work centers on touch
> input <http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team/Sugar_Shell_Touch_Input> and
> community collaboration <http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Network>.
>
>  i thought about subscribing to
>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/Sugar-devel but it is bound to
>> contain lots of emails about implementation details that do not interest me
>> - my focus is solely on the user-level design style, principles, purpose,
>> etc
>>
>
> The list will accept a non-subscriber submission (after a delay for
> moderation); or, you could use a Gmail filter, for example on [DESIGN], to
> limit your reading.
>
>  are you a "core developer"?  if home page design is a key interest of
>> yours, perhaps we could exchange ideas by email?
>>
>
> I am a volunteer, wiki coordinator for Sugar Labs, and work on Sugar on a
> Stick installation and replication scripts.
>
> Alternative ideas and designs for the Home view would best be shared in
> the wiki (such as on a personal page linked to the discussion page<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Design_Team/Proposals/Home_View>)
> with an accompanying post to Sugar-devel.
>
> Thanks for your interest.         --Fred
>



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