[Sugar-devel] Global text to speech
Tony Anderson
tony_anderson at usa.net
Wed Nov 23 16:18:00 EST 2011
Would the mechanism used to implement this be exposed in a way that it
could also be used for a global dictionary (i.e. the user could click on
a word or phrase and get a definition (in the same or a different language)?
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> 1. Re: [FEATURE] Global Text to Speech (Gonzalo Odiard)
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> 4. Re: [FEATURE] Global Text to Speech (Peter Robinson)
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> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:21:44 -0300
> From: Gonzalo Odiard<gonzalo at laptop.org>
> To: Peter Robinson<pbrobinson at gmail.com>
> Cc: Chris Leonard<cjlhomeaddress at gmail.com>, Sugar-dev Devel
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> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [FEATURE] Global Text to Speech
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>> There's also speech-dispatcher which is an option (and which I think
>> was used by OLPC quite some time ago).
>>
>> Petr
>>
>>
>
> Yes. I like the possibility of using not only espeak but festival too,
> but right now will be add another dependency.
>
> I have heard very nice examples of Festival voices,
> but I have tried using Festival from the python api of speech-dispatcher
> without success.
>
> In F16 if I do:
>
> [gonzalo at nautilus honey]$ python
> Python 2.7.2 (default, Oct 27 2011, 01:40:22)
> [GCC 4.6.1 20111003 (Red Hat 4.6.1-10)] on linux2
> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>>
> ...
>>>> import speechd
>>>> client = speechd.SSIPClient('test')
>>>> client.list_output_modules()
> ('espeak', 'dummy')
>
> I have installed:
>
> [root at nautilus /]# rpm -qa | grep festival
> festival-freebsoft-utils-0.10-2.fc15.noarch
> festival-1.96-18.fc16.x86_64
> festival-speechtools-libs-1.2.96-18.fc16.x86_64
> festival-lib-1.96-18.fc16.x86_64
>
> [root at nautilus /]# rpm -qa | grep speech
> speech-dispatcher-0.7.1-6.fc16.x86_64
> festival-speechtools-libs-1.2.96-18.fc16.x86_64
> speech-dispatcher-python-0.7.1-6.fc16.x86_64
>
> Do you know if I need install anything more?
>
> Gonzalo
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> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 09:17:37 -0500
> From: Paul Fox<pgf at laptop.org>
> To: forster at ozonline.com.au
> Cc: devel at lists.laptop.org, sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] automatic backlight control
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> forster at ozonline.com.au wrote:
> > Thanks Paul
>
> thanks for testing!
>
> >
> > The logic appears to be buggy, see #11487: XO-1.75 OS12 backlight
> > is off when you come back inside
>
> okay, more testing is needed. as you noted, it's quite hard to tell
> when it's on and off. i'll see if i can come up with an indicator,
> on the display or on the LEDs, which will help during debug.
>
> >
> > As it stands, neither the monochrome nor colour modes are OK in
> > full sunlight. The colour mode causes a significant loss of
> > resolution for reading small black text and even more resolution
> > loss with coloured text.
>
> to clarify -- neither of these issues is caused by the auto-turnoff,
> but they might suggest that one or the other modes is a better target
> in full sun -- is that what you're saying?
>
> where can i find some colored text on the laptop?
>
> >
> > With the monochrome mode, the shadow of your hands as you type is
> > enough to switch mode which is quite distracting
>
> the color/mono selection shouldn't have affect on how much light
> causes the mode switch.
>
> >
> > The cutin cutout settings are 50 (bright)and 80 (dark). It does
> > not seem worth raising the 80 figure because there is still visible
> > colour information at 70. The 50 figure could be lowered, direct
> > sunlight is 5-10, so I tried 15, this still could give mode
> > switching from your hands' shadow in direct sunlight.
>
> how can you tell the switch has occurred, if you're in full sunlight?
> i honestly can't tell when it's happened.
>
> >
> > What I suggest is that the backlight not switch off unless you have
> > been in the sun for (eg) 5 minutes, but switch back on immediately
> > in the dark. I don't have the coding skills or I would have tried
> > it out.
> >
> > For anybody who wants to try it powerd is at /usr/sbin/power
> >
> > the brightness settings are at line1853 monochrome is commented out
> > at lines 1764&1793
> >
> > uncommenting these lines reenables monochrome in response to the
> > sensor but surprisingly not the control keys
>
> i don't follow -- the code in powerd currently has (or should have) no
> effect on how the brightness keys work. they're handled by
> olpc-brightness. so they should continue doing what they were doing
> before you modified those lines to reenable "zero brightness gives mono"
> behavior.
>
> paul
>
> >
> > Tony
> >
> > > forster at ozonline.com.au wrote:
> > > > The shift from colour to monochrome is noticable and would be annoying if
> > it
> > > > happened a lot, for example as clouds pass, trees and people move.
> > > >
> > > > If the hysterisis, the difference between cutin and cutout brightness is
> > large,
> > > > the change in mode will happen a lot less frequently and not be annoying.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to try it switching automatically to monochrome but with
> > large
> > > > hysterisis.
> > > >
> > > > I'll wait to try OS12
> > >
> > >
> > > you may be in a better position to play with this, geographically
> > > speaking, than i am -- we're running low on sunlight these days.
> > >
> > > the hysteresis is currently hard-coded in powerd -- you'll find it in
> > > the function ambient_adjust_init(). it only gets set once, though, so
> > > after powerd starts, you can change the limits directly and they
> > > should take effect immediately.
> > >
> > > additionally, to cause auto-monochrome to happen, uncomment the
> > > obvious lines at the end of set_brightness() and brightness_ramp().
> > >
> > > paul
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Tony
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> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 10:20:52 -0600
> From: James Simmons<nicestep at gmail.com>
> To: Gonzalo Odiard<gonzalo at laptop.org>
> Cc: Chris Leonard<cjlhomeaddress at gmail.com>, Sugar-dev Devel
> <sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org>, Peter Robinson
> <pbrobinson at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [FEATURE] Global Text to Speech
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> All,
>
> Speech-dispatcher was used by the earliest version of Read Etexts to
> support speech. The big downside is that you need to configure it. When
> you install the RPM for it it installs espeak, Festival, and some other
> stuff too. Aleksey Lim created the gstreamer plugin, and also modified
> Read Etexts so that it could use either speech-dispatcher or gstreamer. I
> prefer gstreamer myself because it Just Works. I've heard nice things
> about Festival voices but I never got them working.
>
> James Simmons
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Gonzalo Odiard<gonzalo at laptop.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> There's also speech-dispatcher which is an option (and which I think
>>> was used by OLPC quite some time ago).
>>>
>>> Petr
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yes. I like the possibility of using not only espeak but festival too,
>> but right now will be add another dependency.
>>
>> I have heard very nice examples of Festival voices,
>> but I have tried using Festival from the python api of speech-dispatcher
>> without success.
>>
>> In F16 if I do:
>>
>> [gonzalo at nautilus honey]$ python
>> Python 2.7.2 (default, Oct 27 2011, 01:40:22)
>> [GCC 4.6.1 20111003 (Red Hat 4.6.1-10)] on linux2
>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>>>
>> ...
>>>>> import speechd
>>>>> client = speechd.SSIPClient('test')
>>>>> client.list_output_modules()
>> ('espeak', 'dummy')
>>
>> I have installed:
>>
>> [root at nautilus /]# rpm -qa | grep festival
>> festival-freebsoft-utils-0.10-2.fc15.noarch
>> festival-1.96-18.fc16.x86_64
>> festival-speechtools-libs-1.2.96-18.fc16.x86_64
>> festival-lib-1.96-18.fc16.x86_64
>>
>> [root at nautilus /]# rpm -qa | grep speech
>> speech-dispatcher-0.7.1-6.fc16.x86_64
>> festival-speechtools-libs-1.2.96-18.fc16.x86_64
>> speech-dispatcher-python-0.7.1-6.fc16.x86_64
>>
>> Do you know if I need install anything more?
>>
>> Gonzalo
>>
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> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 16:24:01 +0000
> From: Peter Robinson<pbrobinson at gmail.com>
> To: James Simmons<nicestep at gmail.com>
> Cc: Gonzalo Odiard<gonzalo at laptop.org>, Chris Leonard
> <cjlhomeaddress at gmail.com>, Sugar-dev Devel
> <sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org>
> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [FEATURE] Global Text to Speech
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> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 4:20 PM, James Simmons<nicestep at gmail.com> wrote:
>> All,
>> Speech-dispatcher was used by the earliest version of Read Etexts to support
>> speech. ?The big downside is that you need to configure it. ?When you
>> install the RPM for it it installs espeak, Festival, and some other stuff
>> too. ?Aleksey Lim created the gstreamer plugin, and also modified Read
>> Etexts so that it could use either speech-dispatcher or gstreamer. ?I prefer
>> gstreamer myself because it Just Works. ?I've heard nice things about
>> Festival voices but I never got them working.
>> James Simmons
>
> I did quite a bit of work on speech-dispatcher a couple of releases
> ago and I believe (from testers on bugreports) that it mostly just
> works out of the box now for most standard use cases.
>
> Peter
>
>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Gonzalo Odiard<gonzalo at laptop.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> There's also speech-dispatcher which is an option (and which I think
>>>> was used by OLPC quite some time ago).
>>>>
>>>> Petr
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes. I like the possibility of using not only espeak but festival too,
>>> but right now will be add another dependency.
>>>
>>> I? have heard very nice examples of Festival voices,
>>> but I have tried using Festival from the python api of speech-dispatcher
>>> without success.
>>>
>>> In F16 if I do:
>>>
>>> [gonzalo at nautilus honey]$ python
>>> Python 2.7.2 (default, Oct 27 2011, 01:40:22)
>>> [GCC 4.6.1 20111003 (Red Hat 4.6.1-10)] on linux2
>>> Type "help", "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>>>>>
>>> ...
>>>>>> import speechd
>>>>>> client = speechd.SSIPClient('test')
>>>>>> client.list_output_modules()
>>> ('espeak', 'dummy')
>>>
>>> I have installed:
>>>
>>> [root at nautilus /]# rpm -qa | grep festival
>>> festival-freebsoft-utils-0.10-2.fc15.noarch
>>> festival-1.96-18.fc16.x86_64
>>> festival-speechtools-libs-1.2.96-18.fc16.x86_64
>>> festival-lib-1.96-18.fc16.x86_64
>>>
>>> [root at nautilus /]# rpm -qa | grep speech
>>> speech-dispatcher-0.7.1-6.fc16.x86_64
>>> festival-speechtools-libs-1.2.96-18.fc16.x86_64
>>> speech-dispatcher-python-0.7.1-6.fc16.x86_64
>>>
>>> Do you know if I need install anything more?
>>>
>>> Gonzalo
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Sugar-devel mailing list
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>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel
>>>
>>
>>
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