[Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Olidata computers in Uruguay

[Gary Martin]

Hi Sean,

On 17 Jun 2011, at 16:39, Sean DALY wrote:

> FYI, I acquired a Gen1 Classmate with 7" screen (an Olidata JumPc) for
> testing purposes two years ago and with Martin Langhoff's help filed a
> ticket on this issue:
> 
> http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/868

Thanks, yes that ended up as closed as a duplicate of:

	http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/308

Which is reported as fixed (though not something I have tested myself).

If reports filtering through that Uyaguay have indeed already purchased 30,000 (!!) of these for use by teachers then we need to try and get tickets open for all the major cases. Hopefully we will also see some support from the Uy deployment as when saving money thru buying cheaper but different spec hardware, putting some efforts in bringing the needed software up to the deployments requirements must be expected.

> this photo of mine may be helpful to see what we're talking about:
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/39656470@N02/3648785920/in/photostream

Thanks, I think I also caught a photo of it from the recent EduJam flickr stream, nice to see you were well ahead of the storm front ;-)

> I remember being told that there were no plans to scale Sugar screens
> to work with 480, that 600 was the minimum

I'm happy to tweak activities I directly maintain if needed, and provide some design suggestions for others if needed (as long as we don't degrade the experience for the majority). But if the 30k Uy purchase of these machines is an accurate report, we should try to help where we can (understanding that the majority of us are volunteers putting what free time we have into the effort).

Regards,
--Gary

> Sean
> 
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 5:16 PM, Gary Martin <garycmartin at googlemail.com> wrote:
>> On 17 Jun 2011, at 14:42, Esteban Bordón wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> We'll try to start to fix the most interest activities.
>> 
>> Thanks for your screenshots. I've created a ticket for Cartoon Builder, TamTamMini, and Distance, if you could report and take more screenshots of other activities you discover that would be very helpful:
>> 
>>        http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2900
>>        http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2901
>>        http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2902
>> 
>> Some background FWIW: Much of Sugar and its activities were designed with the 1200x900 screen in mind, luckily with the XO screen rotation feature most developers were also often reminded and aware of needing to make sure their design layouts were flexible enough to work at 900x1200. When Sugar Labs was spun off from OLPC to work on Sugar, there was much effort from SL to make Sugar more hardware agnostic and work on more traditional laptops, part of this meant that 1024x768 was much more commonly being used and tested by developers; and the default when running Sugar in a window under Gnome was 800x600, which has been generally treated as the worst case scenario. So it's that 480 vertical pixels count, a reduction of 120 from our assumed worst case, that's catching some of us out ;-)
>> 
>> Regards,
>> --Gary
>> 
>>> regards,
>>> 
>>> Esteban.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2011/6/17 Walter Bender <walter.bender at gmail.com>
>>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 9:33 AM, Esteban Bordón
>>> <ebordon at plan.ceibal.edu.uy> wrote:
>>>> In most cases the problem is specific of the activities, then people must
>>>> modify the activities one by one.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2011/6/16 Caryl Bigenho <cbigenho at hotmail.com>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Esteban (and all),
>>>>> It would be wonderful if you or someone else could write up some very easy
>>>>> to follow instructions for doing the screen scaling, in Spanish, for the
>>>>> teachers in Uruguay.  Don't assume anything.  Pretend the teacher is a total
>>>>> beginner (on the Olidata many will be). Make it a "Grannie's Guide" type
>>>>> document and they will love you forever for doing it!
>>>>> Caryl (aka "GrannieB")
>>>>> 
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: ebordon at plan.ceibal.edu.uy
>>>>> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 15:58:43 -0300
>>>>> To: garycmartin at googlemail.com
>>>>> CC: IAEP at lists.sugarlabs.org; yamaplos at gmail.com;
>>>>> sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] Olidata computers in Uruguay
>>>>> 
>>>>>> One of the most noticeable source for incompatibilities seems to be
>>>>>> screen definition, 800x600 in the Olidata, and thus several Activities are
>>>>>> cropped,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Screen definition is 800x480 ...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ouch, quite a few Activity toolbars will likely overflow at 800x600
>>>>> (overflow widgets land in a drop down menu in the far right of the toolbar
>>>>> that shows the text from the tool button hint only). The XO is a 1200x900
>>>>> screen, about a year or two back there was general consensus that we should
>>>>> try and make sure Activities worked well down too 1024x768 as that was
>>>>> common in emulated environments and regular laptops/desktops.
>>>>> 
>>>>> These 800x600 display machines will want to make sure they are running
>>>>> Sugar using an environmental variable of  SUGAR_SCALING=72, this will shrink
>>>>> the UI scale down to fit the lower screen resolution. SUGAR_SCALING
>>>>> currently only has an effect at either 72 (works well for 800x600 and
>>>>> 1024x768) or 100 (for 1200x900 or larger).
>>>>> 
>>>>> With SUGAR_SCALING=72 Sugar have some problems showing  properties of a
>>>>> journal entry for example. I trying to set lower values of SUGAR_SCALING but
>>>>> I have not getting good results.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Esteban.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> I've created a ticket to track the Journal Detail View problem:
>>> 
>>> http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/2899
>>> 
>>> regards.
>>> 
>>> -walter
>>> 
>>> --
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