[Sugar-devel] Fedora 15 SoaS release and Csound5

Art Hunkins abhunkin at uncg.edu
Mon Jun 13 21:20:32 EDT 2011


My feelings exactly.

As regards Csound, most of our listservs are users; developers are relatively few and tend to communicate largely among themselves.

Though I also am a member of csound-dev, I was unaware of the old/new parser status. I knew the new parser was (and has been long) "under development". I'd no idea how or if it was incorporated into Csound5.13.

Only a few folk (not including myself) actually build Csound - mostly Linux people (again, not me). I just installed Windows Csound(5.13) this evening for the first time - to discover that it was built with default old parser. News to me.

There's much discussion of Csound lists about how documentation and user materials are subpar - especially for newbees. This makes it overly difficult for Csound to attract new users.

At any rate, thanks again for all you do. And I'm always here to test.

Art Hunkins
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Peter Robinson 
  To: Art Hunkins 
  Cc: sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org ; Development of live Sugar distributions 
  Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 7:13 PM
  Subject: Re: Fedora 15 SoaS release and Csound5


  It seems I did get the mail but some how missed it.

  Sigh! How so typical of CSound to make the new parser the default even though they themselves don't recommend it, nor do they really even document it anywhere! GRR!

  I'll have a look at the build and see what else it will affect, csound isn't just there for Sugar.


  On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:05 PM, Art Hunkins <abhunkin at uncg.edu> wrote:

    Peter -

    Did you ever receive the messages collated below? (They largely occurred on the csound-dev list.)

    Are the questions you mentioned (ones that were never answered) the ones addressed here?

    If not, please send them again. To my knowledge, the simple "Csound solution" is running scons with the option:

    But maybe I completely misunderstand.

    Art Hunkins

    ----- Original Message ----- From: "Art Hunkins" <abhunkin at uncg.edu>

    To: <sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org>

    Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 9:59 AM

    Subject: Re: Fedora 15 SoaS release and Csound5


      I presume you received the messages immediately listed below, regarding a solution to the old/new Csound parser issue ("build csound with the scons option  buildRelease=1").

      If you sent questions either to this group, or the Csound-developers list, I'm sorry; I didn't receive them. Are they perhaps answered in the messages quoted below?

      Also, as I wrote to you a week or so ago, there are no current MIDI issues with Csound and Sugar. (I had mistakenly thought there were earlier.)

      I remain eager to test a rebuilt Csound in the Fedora 15 SoaS context, to determine if my activities are compatible - and look forward to your upcoming test release.

      Thanks again for all your work on behalf of things musical within SoaS.

      Art Hunkins

      (Message to csound development listserv)

      Steve, Victor and Peter Robinson:

      The run-time (CsOptions) flag --old-parser makes my CSD's run flawlessly. (Thanks for the suggestion/solution, Steve.)

      I don't imagine my CSD's are the only ones affected.

      Peter, I'd strongly recommend Victor's suggestion of incorporating the scons option buildRelease=1 into the Csound build for Fedora 15. (For one thing, it would for the time being not require changes to my Activities.)

      Comments anyone?

      Art Hunkins

       From: Victor Lazzarini
       To: Developer discussions
       Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 4:42 PM
       Subject: Re: [Cs-dev] Fw: Csound - CsOptions flag for old parser?

       That is a run-time option. But if you build csound with the scons  option buildRelease=1, the old parser
       should be the default. This is the recommended (new parser is no ready for big time yet).


       On 1 Jun 2011, at 21:30, Peter Robinson wrote:

        Hi Steve,

        Is that a compile or run time option? If the former what are the implications?


        On 1 Jun 2011 21:18, "Steven Yi" <stevenyi at gmail.com> wrote:

       Dr Victor Lazzarini
       Senior Lecturer
       Dept. of Music
       NUI Maynooth Ireland
       tel.: +353 1 708 3545
       Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie

       ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Robinson" <pbrobinson at gmail.com>
      To: "Art Hunkins" <abhunkin at uncg.edu>
      Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 4:48 AM
      Subject: Re: Fedora 15 SoaS release and Csound5

        Hi Art,

        No idea. I replied to the email you CC:ed me on and had no answers to
        my questions. I have a couple of outstanding items I need to test and
        fix on SoaS and will put out a test image in the next couple of days
        and you can test it and tell me as you well no I have no ability to
        test midi on soas.

        As a side note please make sure you:
        1) Create a new email when sending things and no hijack a completely
        irrelevant email.
        2) Send it to the SoaS list. There is no need to send this directly to me.


        On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 11:23 PM, Art Hunkins <abhunkin at uncg.edu> wrote:

          Hello, Peter,

          Is the Csound5 new/old parser issue now solved for the upcoming Fedora 15
          SoaS release?

          If so, is there a testing .iso I could try - to see if my activities are
          compatible with it?

          Thanks -

          Art Hunkins

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