[Sugar-devel] [DESIGN] copy-to-option in Journal (part of removing the keep button)

Gary Martin garycmartin at googlemail.com
Thu Jul 28 12:12:43 EDT 2011

Hi Simon,

On 28 Jul 2011, at 12:55, Simon Schampijer wrote:

> On 07/27/2011 06:00 PM, Gary Martin wrote:
>> Hi Simon,
>> On 27 Jul 2011, at 14:44, Simon Schampijer wrote:
>>> On 07/27/2011 01:40 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
>>>>> device.png (the option displayed for a a file on a external device): Do we
>>>>> display the duplicate option there as well (duplicate a file on an external
>>>>> device)? How is it colored if - black and white because it is not 'owned'?
>>>>> We miss here the Journal as an option for the file to be copied to, that can
>>>>> be added.
>>>> I think is better add the Journal in the Copy to submenu when you are in a
>>>> device.
>>>> Also, probably the Clipboard should be the last option, no the first,
>>>> Gonzalo
>>> I sent new mockups going back to my original design without a 'duplicate entry'. This does 'solve' the issue you raise.
>> FWIW I do still find 'Copy to ->  Journal' confusing and unexpected. I'd certainly not look for that functionality it in the 'Copy to' sub palette, and even if I did see the Journal icon in there I would assume it was a bug (this object is already in my Journal, why would I want to copy over it).
> Ok, accepted, as you are not the only one. Let's keep the duplicate entry.
>> I'm beginning to wonder if we should just replace the activity Keep button with a Duplicate button and not try to expose it in the Journal/details view?
> Ohh no, everything but not that :-)


>> BTW What was wrong with adding a top-level Duplicate toolbar icon to the Details view (to match how Duplicate was at the top level of the Journal object palette)?
> Yeah, thought that as well myself this morning, attached are the new screenshots.
> Some words about my decisions:
> - the duplicate option is only visible in the Journal entry palette and the Journal entry detail view, not in the palette and detail view of the file on the external device
> - the duplicate option is colored in the entry color as this exact entry gets duplicated (in the screenshots we see two entries with different colors in the same Journal and the color of the option changes accordingly), I wondered if the icon itself should show actually two colored objects not only one (duplication)

I've had a quick look at the mockup in your more recent email, having all of the duplicate icon in the to be duplicated object colour does not work for me as a small palette icon. Better with one part in white and one in colour. It's visually clearer (still visible at the small size if a user has an unfortunate colour choice). If you think the colour metaphor is not being fully adhered to, think of the icon as an action in progress, part way through duplication ;)

> - the copy-to Journal option in the palette of the file on the external device is colored in the users color.

Good (I assume you mean the copy-to --> Journal, where the Journal is in the users own colour as the object on the external device has no current metadata).

I notice in the users Journal palette that the copy-to icon is not picking up the object colour? Was this intended as this should be using the object colour in the same way as the duplicate icon. Looks like you have it correctly coloured in the details view toolbar.

> - for the copy-to icon I am not sure if colored or black/white makes more sense, because uncertain I went for b/w

Yes the copy-to icon for objects without metadata would be black & white.


> Regards,
>   Simon
> <journal_palette.png><journal_palette_2.png><journal_detail.png><journal_detail_2.png><external_palette.png><external_detail.png>

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