[Sugar-devel] [laptop-accessibility] screenreader for sugar

[Esteban Arias]

What should we change in sugar?

2010/9/8 Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at sugarlabs.org>

> On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 18:32, Peter Korn <peter.korn at oracle.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Tomeu, gang,
> >
> > [I'm cc-ing Joanie Diggs, co-maintainer of Orca]
> >
> > I believe there are 6 key things that need to be done in/for Sugar to
> enable use of the GNOME accessibility work for folks with vision
> impairments.  Others more expert in the specific details may correct/amend
> my comments.  I believe the 6 things are:
> >
> > The shift of AT-SPI from CORBA to DBUS (in process, not yet completed,
> but builds of at-spi2 are in the GNOME code repository and if someone would
> start playing and testing with it on the OLPC, that'd be great!)
>
> I tested the very recent bits of at-spi2 in sugar-jhbuild and they
> seemed to work fine in that accerciser was able to navigate through
> the controls of the desktop window and of activities (applications).
>
> > Implementation of ATK by the Sugar UI components (this is the
> accessibility API that screen readers like Orca use)
>
> Accerciser showed that it could not go into the HippoCanvas widget
> that is used in some fundamental parts of the Sugar shell and also
> inside our browser. The browser is moving from xulrunner to webkitgtk+
> which I expect to fare much better there. About HippoCanvas, I have
> been experimenting with replacing it with custom GtkContainers and
> dropping Hippo completely seemed very doable.
>
> > Creating / adapting a magnifier service on Sugar for Orca.  This may be a
> fairly trivial port of gnome-mag (non-COMPOSITE edition), or it may be a
> complete re-write
>
> I have no idea of what this entails, but as we have kept quite close
> to GNOME's architecture, I expect the fairly trivial port to suffice.
>
> > Porting Orca to Sugar.  This may be fairly trivial, or it may involve a
> new Sugar-style GUI, etc.
>
> Tried out Orca in Sugar and it was able to read windows titles,
> buttons labels, etc. What GUI would it have other than a configuration
> parameter for starting it automatically at startup?
>
> > Adding theme support go Sugar for vision impairments - things like a
> large-print theme, and inverse theme, etc.
>
> The Uruguayan deployment has customized their builds in this direction
> but I believe they need help upstreaming it.
>
> > Ensure 100% keyboard operability of Sugar
>
> Hippo is also the roadblock here.
>
> > Tomeu - are there folks in sugar-devel who have cycles to work on these
> things?
>
> No idea, I started this thread to find out :)
>
> Thanks a lot for the great insights!
>
> Tomeu
>
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > On 9/7/2010 12:49 AM, Tomeu Vizoso wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 20:15, Esteban Arias <earias at plan.ceibal.edu.uy>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > no, I tested with gnome desktop.
> >
> >
> > Ok, I can help you get in touch with the GNOME team that works on
> > accessibility if you want. They are very dedicated, friendly and
> > talented bunch. Collabora and other companies also provide services
> > related to accessibility and GNOME.
> >
> > But nobody else than us is going to fix accessibility in Sugar so
> > that's why I'm asking if anybody here has interest in working on this.
> > The first need is finding someone who can tell us what needs to be
> > improved in Sugar so it can be used by people with no or very low
> > vision.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tomeu
> >
> >
> >
> > 2010/9/3 Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at sugarlabs.org>
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 18:25, Esteban Arias <earias at plan.ceibal.edu.uy>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > xo-1.0 | F11 | Dextrose version | Gnome desktop | orca 2.26.3
> >
> > If I set: "run at startup"
> > orca run correctly.
> >
> >
> > Hi Esteban,
> >
> > to clarify, you configure orca in some way so it runs when sugar
> > starts up and it reads what is on the screen?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Tomeu
> >
> >
> >
> > If I excecute "orca" from Terminal, shows error:
> > /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/orca/mouse_review.py:189: Warning:
> > invalid
> > uninstantiatable type `(null)' in cast to `GdkDisplayX11'
> >     self._mouseDwellTimeout(event.detail1, event.detail2)
> >
> > Displays Preferences dialog, but dont reads screen.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Esteban Arias.
> >
> > 2010/9/2 Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at sugarlabs.org>
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 14:51, Esteban Arias <earias at plan.ceibal.edu.uy>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > I install orca on xo 1.0 with gnome for f11.
> > If I config to start session with orca, runs ok. But if I execute
> > orca
> > from
> > terminal, dont run correctly:
> >
> >
> > Hi Esteban,
> >
> > could be that your email arrived to us incomplete?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Tomeu
> >
> >
> >
> > 2010/9/1 pbrobinson at gmail.com <pbrobinson at gmail.com>
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at sugarlabs.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 14:10, Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at sugarlabs.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 14:08, Esteban Arias
> > <earias at plan.ceibal.edu.uy> wrote:
> >
> >
> > hi,
> > we can colaborate with this proyect.
> >
> >
> > Excelent, have you tried already orca with Sugar? And with GNOME?
> >
> >
> > I would say that the next step is for someone who knows how orca
> > is
> > used to give it a try and file tickets for the biggest issues. Not
> > sure we can make much more until then.
> >
> >
> > The gnome guys mentioned this the other day and there's going to be
> > some more work done within gnome hopefully for F-14. So hopefully we
> > should be looking better for that release.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> > --
> >     Esteban Arias
> >     Investigación y Desarrollo - Plan Ceibal
> >     Avda. Italia 6201
> >     Montevideo - Uruguay.
> >     Tel.: 2601.57.73 Interno 2228
> >     E-mail : earias at plan.ceibal.edu.uy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >     Esteban Arias
> >     Investigación y Desarrollo - Plan Ceibal
> >     Avda. Italia 6201
> >     Montevideo - Uruguay.
> >     Tel.: 2601.57.73 Interno 2228
> >     E-mail : earias at plan.ceibal.edu.uy
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >     Esteban Arias
> >     Investigación y Desarrollo - Plan Ceibal
> >     Avda. Italia 6201
> >     Montevideo - Uruguay.
> >     Tel.: 2601.57.73 Interno 2228
> >     E-mail : earias at plan.ceibal.edu.uy
> >
> >
> >
> >
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