[Sugar-devel] [SPAM?]: Re: [DESIGN] Filter in home view

[Gonzalo Odiard]

Thanks for doing all these tests!
I really wanted have this feedback, because at times a screenshot is not
enough to describe
all the different interactions/changes.
I will send the new patches. Now! :)

Gonzalo

PD: I have added a strip() to the queryto avoid filtering with accidentals
spaces.


On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Gary Martin <garycmartin at googlemail.com>wrote:

> Hi Gonzalo,
>
> On 18 Aug 2011, at 17:56, Simon Schampijer wrote:
>
> > On 08/18/2011 06:29 PM, Gary Martin wrote:
> >> Hi Simon,
> >>
> >> On 18 Aug 2011, at 16:57, Simon Schampijer<simon at schampijer.de>  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Gary,
> >>>
> >>> On 08/16/2011 07:25 PM, Simon Schampijer wrote:
> >>>> On 08/16/2011 06:44 PM, Simon Schampijer wrote:
> >>>>> On 08/16/2011 06:36 PM, Gary Martin wrote:
> >>>>>> On 16 Aug 2011, at 17:30, Simon Schampijer wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 08/16/2011 06:10 PM, Gonzalo Odiard wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for the screen shots. For the grey version the stroke
> should
> >>>>>>>>> be grey
> >>>>>>>>> and the fill white (to match the background) so that the icon
> >>>>>>>>> detail is
> >>>>>>>>> still visible.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>> --Gary
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ok. I have applying the same colors than in the neighborhood view
> for
> >>>>>>>> consistency,
> >>>>>>>> but is a easy change if we define it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Do you need a screenshot with this colors?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Gonzalo
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think Gary means this:
> >>>>>>> http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/filter_search/neighborhood_view.png
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Without your patches applied I am getting these results in the
> >>>>>>> neighborhood view.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Well spotted, yes. I was just checking the access-point and mesh
> icons
> >>>>>> here – didn't have any shared activity icons to see.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>> --Gary
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And this is how it looks like then in the home view:
> >>>>> http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/filter_search/home-view.png
> >>>>
> >>>> Gary, with that change I think the greying out does work nicely. What
> is
> >>>> about the 'unfocusing' of the entry you mentioned yesterday? When
> would
> >>>> this be needed, only after start, but then it grabs focus when for
> >>>> example switching the views? Can you flash that out a bit more, I am
> >>>> myself a bit unclear on that.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Simon
> >>>
> >>> I want to do tarballs today and patch wise Gonzalo's Feature looks
> good. I was a bit worried about the possible issue described above. How
> shall we proceed? Do you think it is that much of an issue? As I said, I am
> a bit unsure myself.
> >>
> >> OK I had a bit of a review yesterday and experimented with the old
> favorites filter implementation (before it was disabled just prior to an old
> release). The previous filter's negative sides were that: 1) it switched the
> user from the favourites view to the list view for presenting the results
> (not obvious for a novice user how to escape that view); 2) that the list
> view hides all non-matching activities completely from the view (easy to end
> up with a blank set of filter results if you accidently press a couple of
> random keys). Gonzalo's feature implementation avoids both those issues, and
> even allows the ghosted items still to be interacted with, so I'm happy so
> see it land.
> >>
> >> Just to confirm, the new filter visual effect is also used in the
> neighbourhood and group views for consistancy?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> --Gary
> >
> > Thanks a lot Gary for your quick reply! Great that you did the research -
> and even with a positive result. Sounds good to me then. Will get it into
> the build and we have until next Monday to adjust visually.
> >
> > Yes the new filter effect [1] will be the same as in the neighborhood
> view.
>
> As per our IRC chat tonight, many thanks for sending me the files to test
> on a Sugar 0.92.2 build, I've had a good experiment with the different
> filters (grey, and alpha at .2 and .33) on an XO-1 running in both backlight
> colour and reflective monochrome mode. I tested with 40 icons in the
> favourite spiral with some non-sugar compliant activity icons installed.
>
> I think an alpha fade version at 0.33 works best:
>
> 1) it avoids the problem with non-sugar compliant icons not filter fading
> (the grey fade effect only works on icons correctly using fill and stroke
> entities)
>
> 2) it still gives some detail in reflective monochrome mode (though not
> quite as clear as the grey/clear only effect)
>
> 3) pressing the alt key (so icon clicks become 'Start new' rather than
> 'Resume') with a filter string keeps displaying the filter correctly (with
> the grey effect while you press alt, the light grey filter effect vanishes
> as it's replaced by the darker grey effect used for Start new).
>
> 4) it avoids the possible confusion between the filter grey effect vs.
> activity icons in the favourite view not yet started (that use a slightly
> darker grey outline colour). An accidental filter search could make icons
> look like they had no resume state (e.g. an accidental press of the space
> bar).
>
> When testing the 0.33 alpha filtering patch on an XO-1 with 40 icons in a
> spiral, it's dimming the icons in a respectable ~1sec after the last filter
> input key press. So performance on an XO-1 seems good as well.
>
> Would be great if the Neighbourhood filter effect could match the filter
> effect landed for home favourites view to keep consistency between views.
>
> Regards,
> --Gary
>
> P.S. Apologies to all for such late additional feedback. Lovely to see this
> long lost feature back, especially now that we have the spiral home layout
> that works well with many more icons on screen.
>
> > Regards,
> >   Simon
> >
> > PS: there is no filter in the groups view, yet...psst Gonzalo psst :)
> >
> > [1] http://dev.laptop.org/~erikos/filter_search/home-view.png
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