[Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Child in charge of FOSS or Sugar

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Soren

Issues are
What modifications are students likely to do
What modifications are possible for a student to do
What additional benefits are there to students from a FOSS project.

It is possible for a student to submit a bug report to bugs.sugarlabs.org, they can even submit their own patch for review and incorporation into the next official release, or they can review others' patches. There are also unofficial forks to Sugar, a student could create their own unofficial fork. They are empowered.

All this is unlikely. Particularly with the current target group for the XO being primary school students. It is possible though, with over a million XO laptops distributed, anything could happen.

The sort of modifications that are more likely are the more trivial ones, see http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Activity_Team/Modifing_an_Activity
for modifications that are more achievable but unlikely to ever make it into a release.

Having  a FOSS culture means that lots of smaller design decisions are made which empower the learner. The OS is written in Python, an interpreted language which can be inspected and altered without compiling. Activities have a view source button. The entire system can be easily reflashed if corrupted. Nothing is locked down with passwords. Everything is editable.

TurtleArt/TurtleBlocks has been designed for experimentation in a way that is unlikely to happen outside of FOSS. A pathway has been provided from the simple to full reprogramming. Firstly the earlier pallettes have simple move and turn blocks. The later pallettes have more complex things like variables. Then the function block allows the incorporation of a line of Python code, typically a function like sin(x). Stepping up a bit more is the Python code block which can hold multiple lines of Python code. Finally if you view source there is an invitation and instructions on modifying the code to create a new Python block.

The newly released Sliderule activity works similarly. Sliderule is a virtual manipulative which allows students to investigate concepts of addition, multiplication and raising to a power, in a visual way. It also has dialog boxes which allow bits of Python code to be entered to create custom slide rules. View source has an invitation and instructions for reprogramming the Activity.

Hope this helps.

Tony

> For about a month ago, I asked as a curious outsider, if kids were actually
> hacking sugar.
> This question is in the same ball-part. Iï¿½m trying to understand Sugar-FOSS
> and the philosophy
> of debugging and the childï¿½s role in this process. As I understand it, the
> term ï¿½Freeï¿½ in FOSS
> means both free of cost (mostly ï¿½always??), and free as in learners are ï¿½in
> charge of their
> educational environmentï¿½ (Mako Hill, 29.04.08). Or as stated on Sugar Labs:
>  ï¿½What are the
> benefits of using Sugar? - An emphasis on learning through doing and *
> debugging*: more engaged
> learners are able to tackle authentic problemsï¿½ (sugarlabs.org).
> It doesnï¿½t take long to see Seymour Papert in all this.
> 
> 
> *Iï¿½m wondering: *
> If a child as the learner is in charge of the learning environment,
> shouldnï¿½t it be essential that the
> child is doing the debugging (ï¿½in collaboration with others ï¿½ students,
> teachers etc.)?
> 
> In my search for bugging/debugging in Sugar I found the
> ï¿½BugSquard/Bugreportï¿½ on wiki.sugarlabs and it says:
> 
> ï¿½If you're using Sugar on a
> Stick<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick>or another
> distribution
> of Sugar <http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems> and find something
> 
> specific you think could be improvedï¿½maybe something isn't working the way
> you think
> it should work, or you have an idea for how something could be betterï¿½you
> can file a *ticket. *
> A ticket is a way for anyone to suggest to the software or project
> developers that *they should work*
> on something [ï¿½]".
> 
> ï¿½[The tickets]ï¿½ is the *most* important partï¿½because reading the title of a
> ticket *is how a developer decides*
> if he or she is going to work on itï¿½.
> 
> I thought it was the child/sugar-user that should *decide on working on
> bugs/improvements*.
> As Papert says on debugging: ï¿½Errors benefit us because they lead us to
> study what happen,
> to understand what went wrong, and, through understanding, to fix itï¿½
> (Mindstorms - 1980 (1993): 114),
> which is essential for learning learning.
> 
> I have trouble seeing the correspondence between the child/sugar-user taking
> charge, debugging
> in Sugar-FOSS as a computational environment and a distant Sugar-developer
> deciding on
> debugging or making improvements. To me the ticket doesnï¿½t look like the
> child is taking charge.
> 
> I have 4 assumptions about this:
> 
> 1.      The BugSquard doesnï¿½t mean that the sugar-user/child canï¿½t be in
> charge and taking control
> and doing own improvements and bug-fixing in Sugar-FOSS- environment. If a
> child wants to release
> Sugar 6.1 then by all means. The BugSquard is just there to help and assist
> the child/sugar-user who
> doesnï¿½t have the technical know-how to do improvements.
> 
> 2.      Not everyone can release Sugar 6.1, 6.2 etc. Thatï¿½s the mission of
> the Development Team. Theyï¿½
> ï¿½build and maintain the core Sugar environment. This includes specifying and
> implementing new features
> in conjunction with the Design Team<http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team>,
> fixing bugs as they are found by the Testing team and the Sugar community
> [ï¿½]ï¿½
> (wiki.sugarlabs.org.).
> 
> 3.      Debugging and improving Sugar-OS is different from debugging and
> programming as a learning-process
>  *in* a Sugar-activity like ï¿½Turtle Blocksï¿½, which is the reason why..
> 
> 4.      ï¿½it is possible to run Sugar-activities on Windows. Itï¿½s not
> possible to debug, improve, program and
> hack Windows (not legally anyway). But you can still debug and program
> Turtle as a Sugar-activity that
> runs on Windows.
> 
> If Iï¿½m right about assumption 2,3,4 then children doesnï¿½t benefit from Sugar
> as a FOSS. Thatï¿½s mainly
> for Sugar-developers and the benefit of changing and reshaping Sugar for
> specific cultural needs i.e.
> languages, national curriculum-adaptation etc., a top-down-proces in a
> specific cultural context, that
> exclude childrenï¿½s points of view. more like a 'cultural empowerment'.
> 
> 
> Last assumption:
> 5.      Children benefits from Sugar because itï¿½s a specific designed
> learning environment, but children
> (most of them) couldnï¿½t care less about FOSS, and they are not in charge of
> the FOSS-environment.
> They are in charge of the progamming and debugging Turtle not the
> Sugar-activity itself,
> 
> Just some thoughts and reflections
> 
> Please leave a comment or fill in some missing links.
> 
> 
> Regards Soren
> 
> Student in educational anthropology at Denmark
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">For about a month ago, I asked as a curious outsider, if kids were actually hacking sugar. </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">This question is in the same ball-part. Iï¿½m trying to understand Sugar-FOSS and the philosophy </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">of debugging and the childï¿½s role in this process. </span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">As I understand it, the term ï¿½Freeï¿½ in FOSS </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">means both free of cost (mostly ï¿½always??), and free as in learners are </span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">ï¿½in charge of their </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">educational environmentï¿½ (Mako Hill, <span style="COLOR: #111111">29.04.08). </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: #111111; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">Or as stated on Sugar Labs: </span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">ï¿½</span>ï¿½</span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">What are the </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">benefits </span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">of using Sugar?</span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">-<span style="COLOR: black"> </span></span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">An <a id="phrase8" name="phrase8">emphasis on learning through doing</a> and <u>debugging</u>: more engaged </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">learners are able to tackle authentic problemsï¿½ (<a href="http://sugarlabs.org">sugarlabs.org</a>).</span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"></span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">It doesnï¿½t take long to see </span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">Seymour Papert in all this. </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"></span>ï¿½</div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">Iï¿½m wondering: </span></b></p>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">If a child as the learner is in charge of the learning environment, shouldnï¿½t it be essential that </span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">the </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">child is doing the debugging (ï¿½in collaboration with others ï¿½ students, teachers etc.)?ï¿½<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">ï¿½</span></span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"></span></span>ï¿½</div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">In my search for bugging/debugging in Sugar I found the ï¿½BugSquard/Bugreportï¿½ on wiki.sugarlabs and it says:ï¿½<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">ï¿½</span></span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"></span></span>ï¿½</div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes"></span></span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">ï¿½If you're using <a title="Sugar on a Stick" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_on_a_Stick"><span style="COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: none">Sugar on a Stick</span></a> or another <a title="Supported systems" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Supported_systems"><span style="COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: none">distribution of Sugar</span></a> and find something </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"></span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">specific you think could be improvedï¿½maybe something isn't working the way you think</span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"></span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">it should work, or you have an idea for how something could be betterï¿½you can file a <b>ticket. </b></span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"></span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">A ticket is a way for anyone to suggest to the software or project developers that <u>they should work</u> </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">on something [ï¿½]".</span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"></span>ï¿½</div>
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"></span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">ï¿½[The tickets]ï¿½ is the <i>most</i> important partï¿½because reading the title of a ticket <u>is how a developer decides</u> </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">if he or she is going to work on itï¿½. </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"></span>ï¿½</div>
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">I thought it was the child/sugar-user that should <u>decide on working on bugs/improvements</u>. </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">As Papert says on debugging: ï¿½</span><font size="3"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi">Errors </span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi">benefit us because they lead us to study what happen, </span></font></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><font size="3"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi">to understand what went wrong, and, through understanding, to fix itï¿½ (Mindstorms - 1980 (1993): 114), </span></font></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><font size="3"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi">which is essential for learning learning. </span></font></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><font size="3"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi"></span></font>ï¿½</div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi">I have trouble seeing the correspondence between the child/sugar-user taking charge, debugging </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi">in Sugar-FOSS as a computational environment and a distant Sugar-developer deciding on </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi">debugging or making improvements. To me the ticket doesnï¿½t look like the child is taking charge. </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi"></span>ï¿½</div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi">I have 4 assumptions about this:</span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-theme-font: minor-bidi"></span>ï¿½</div>
> 
> <div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="mso-list: Ignore">1.<span style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ </span></span></span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">The BugSquard doesnï¿½t mean that the sugar-user/child canï¿½t be in charge and taking control </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">and doing own improvements and bug-fixing in Sugar-FOSS- environment. If a child wants to release </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">Sugar 6.1 then by all means. The BugSquard is just there to help and assist the child/sugar-user who </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">doesnï¿½t have the technical know-how to do improvements. </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"></span>ï¿½</div>
> 
> <div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="mso-list: Ignore">2.<span style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ </span></span></span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; COLOR: black; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">Not everyone can release Sugar 6.1, 6.2 etc. Thatï¿½s the mission of the Development Team. Theyï¿½</span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"> </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">ï¿½build and maintain the core Sugar environment. This includes specifying and implementing new features </span></div>
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> <div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">in conjunction with the <a title="Design Team" href="http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Design_Team"><span style="COLOR: windowtext; TEXT-DECORATION: none; text-underline: none">Design Team</span></a>, fixing bugs as they are found by the Testing team and the Sugar community [ï¿½]ï¿½ </span></div>
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> <div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">(wiki.sugarlabs.org.).ï¿½</span></div>
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> <div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes">ï¿½</span></span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="mso-list: Ignore">3.<span style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ </span></span></span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">Debugging and improving Sugar-OS is different from debugging and programming as a learning-process</span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">ï¿½<em>in</em> a Sugar-activity like ï¿½</span><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US">Turtle Blocksï¿½, which is the reason why..</span></div>
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> <div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN-US" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN-US"></span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"></span>ï¿½</div>
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> <div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="mso-list: Ignore">4.<span style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ </span></span></span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">ï¿½it is possible to run Sugar-activities on Windows. Itï¿½s not possible to debug, improve, program and </span></div>
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> <div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">hack Windows (not legally anyway). But you can still debug and program Turtle as a Sugar-activity that </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">runs on Windows. </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"></span>ï¿½</div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">If Iï¿½m right about assumption 2,3,4 then children doesnï¿½t benefit from Sugar as a FOSS. Thatï¿½s mainly </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">for Sugar-developers and the benefit of changing and reshaping Sugar for specific cultural needs i.e. </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">languages, national curriculum-adaptation etc., a top-down-proces in a specific cultural context, that </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">exclude childrenï¿½s points of view. more like a 'cultural empowerment'. </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"></span>ï¿½</div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">Last assumption:</span></p>
> <div class="MsoListParagraph" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="mso-list: Ignore">5.<span style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ </span></span></span><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">Children benefits from Sugar because itï¿½s a specific designed learning environment, but children </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoListParagraph" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">(most of them) couldnï¿½t care less about FOSS, and they are not in charge of the FOSS-environment. </span></div>
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> <div class="MsoListParagraph" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">They are in charge of the progamming and debuggingï¿½Turtle not the Sugar-activity itself, </span></div>
> 
> <div class="MsoListParagraph" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt 36pt; TEXT-INDENT: -18pt; mso-add-space: auto; mso-list: l1 level1 lfo2"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"></span>ï¿½</div>
> 
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">Just some thoughts and reflections</span></div>
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> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"></span>ï¿½</div>
> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">Please leave a comment or fill in some missing links. </span></div>
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> <div class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN"></span>ï¿½</div>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">Regards Soren </span></p>
> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">Student in educational anthropology at Denmark</span></p>
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> <p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt"><span lang="EN" style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Times New Roman','serif'; mso-ansi-language: EN">ï¿½</span></p>
> <p>ï¿½</p>
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