[Sugar-devel] annotation support in abiword (was Fwd: uwog - r29358 - in abiword/trunk: . plugins/collab/backends/service/xp plugins/collab/core/packet/xp plugins/collab/core/plugin/xp plugins/collab/core/session/xp plugins/opendocument plugins/o

[Walter Bender]

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 8:51 AM, Gary Martin <garycmartin at googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi Tomeu,
>
> On 11 Oct 2010, at 09:25, Tomeu Vizoso <tomeu at sugarlabs.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> would be nice to add support for annotations in Write now that Abiword
>> supports it.
>
> True, but only if you promise that the Write UI will get easier to use and not more difficult ;) I think we're falling towards featureitus while not managing complexity. Same thing is happening to Calculate.

And Turtle Art, for that matter. I am working on a very stripped down
version, Tortugita, which is more in the spirit of the original goals.
That said, I think the "family of activities" approach taken by TamTam
is a nice way to give the learner headroom as they advance in terms of
skills and ambitions.

regards.

-walter

>
> FWIW, in the Calculate case, I've been considering the need for a really simple calculator activity called Sums, with a very minimal feature set**. Perhaps we could do the same for Write and have a minimal feature set activity called Note (or Text if you don't mind that modern verb usage)? It would just be a simpler wrapper over the Abiword libs.
>
> Still not sure this is the right way to go to keep Sugar usable for our younger learners (where I think Sugar is most ideally placed), as having multiple Activities for the same activity does introduce additional maintenance, and testing load.
>
> ** Ideally we should try harder to better layer complexity in the Write, Calculate, et al UIs so that you need to drill down to the more complex features while the common/novice features are exposed early at the top level — but it seams there's only so far you can take this (Write and Calculate being on the cusp of this cliff edge).
>
> Regards,
> --Gary
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tomeu
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: J.M. Maurer <uwog at uwog.net>
>> Date: Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 17:30
>> Subject: Re: uwog - r29358 - in abiword/trunk: .
>> plugins/collab/backends/service/xp plugins/collab/core/packet/xp
>> plugins/collab/core/plugin/xp plugins/collab/core/session/xp
>> plugins/opendocument plugins/opendocument/exp/xp
>> plugins/opendocument/imp/xp src/af/gr/xp src/text/fmt/xp
>> src/text/ptbl/xp src/wp/impexp/xp test/wp
>> To: abiword-dev at abisource.com
>>
>>
>> Hi All!
>>
>> With this merge of Ben Martin's awesome work, AbiWord trunk (what will
>> become AbiWord 2.9.0, the first 2.9 development release) has gained an
>> awesome new feature: support for RDF. For those unfamiliar with RDF, you
>> can read all about it on Wikipedia:
>>
>>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resource_Description_Framework
>>
>> It defines a metadata standard that AbiWord now supports. This means you
>> can annotate pieces of content with generic "metadata". For example you
>> could attach contact data to a person who's name is mentioned in a text
>> document.
>> The use-cases are of course endless, so feel free to come up with cool
>> use-cases, write patches, and we will gladly integrate them into AbiWord
>> (or let you integrate them).
>>
>> A sample document containing RDF is attached. If you build AbiWord with
>> debug support (--enable-debug) then you will find some fun RDF debugging
>> menu items in the Collaborate menu (make sure to compile with
>> --enable-plugins="collab"). There is no particular reason why this in
>> the Collaborate menu, it just had to go somewhere temporarily.
>>
>> There is full RDF support in AbiWord's internal model to hold the
>> metadata. This work also supports reading and writing the metadata to
>> AbiWord's native file format .abw and to OpenDocument .odt documents.
>> Adding metadata to a document that is collaboratively being worked on
>> will automatically synchronize the metadata as well.
>>
>> Surely there are certain bugs that need to be hashed out, but that's to
>> be expected in a development release :)
>>
>> Cheers!
>>  Marc
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 17:06 +0200, cvs at abisource.com wrote:
>>> Author: uwog
>>> Date: 2010-10-09 17:06:33 +0200 (Sat, 09 Oct 2010)
>>> New Revision: 29358
>>>
>>> Added:
>>>    abiword/trunk/plugins/opendocument/exp/xp/ODe_RDFWriter.cpp
>> [snip]
>>>    abiword/trunk/src/wp/impexp/xp/ie_imp_XML.h
>>> Log:
>>> svn merge -r29073:29323 svn+ssh://svn.abisource.com/svnroot/abiword/branches/monkeyiqrdf/ .
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