[Sugar-devel] SOAS questions

[Gary Martin]

Hi David,

On 23 Nov 2010, at 07:00, "David Leeming" <david at leeming-consulting.com> wrote:

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> [mailto:sugar-devel-bounces at lists.sugarlabs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Robinson
> Sent: Monday, 22 November 2010 8:32 p.m.
> To: David Leeming
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> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] SOAS questions
> 
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 1:27 PM, David Leeming
> <david at leeming-consulting.com> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> 
>> I have questions about the latest release of SOAS. Are these observations
>> unusual or do others see these issues?
>> 
>> 
>> (a)    eToys does not start up properly. On start up a garbled view of the
>> animated car is displayed, and then it won’t shut down. I also experienced
>> this with Mirabelle
> 
>> I've not seen this problem but then prior to release we didn't see too
>> many people actually test anything and report bugs so we could fix it
>> before release.
> 
> OK, I am trying to establish if it is just me. But can't see how. I have
> downloaded the SOAS4 iso and installed and everything else is working. I
> have booted (the SOAS) on several PC laptops and it's the same.  I am
> wondering why others don't also see this happening.
> 
>> (b)   A popup appears about a password for a keyring just after Sugar has
>> started up
> 
>> Known problem. See numerous discussions about this on the SoaS mailing
>> list (probably the best location to ask SoaS questions btw).
> 
>> In regard to (a) I tried to erase the activity and load an early version,
>> but there erase function seems to have been moved (which I think is a good
>> idea). Can anyone refer me please?
> 
>> How did you try to 'erase' it? All SoaS activities are rpm based so
>> you need to use yum/rpm based commands to add/remove etc.
> 
> I looked for the erase option when right clicking on it, as one would do
> with activities on the XO-1 in previous times.

Have a look in the home list view, the erase option was removed from the home ring view palettes after feed back from deployments where children were deleting essential activities from their systems.

The caveat with SoaS is that if activities were installed in that build via rpms with system privileged files, the Sugar UI can not be used to erase (or in some cases upgrade) those activities (due to not having permission, or the files being in non Sugar expected places). This is obviously a long standing sore point with regard giving normal humans (rather than geeky software engineers) the ability to actually maintain and update their own SoaS (though this has at least improved a little since early SoaS releases).

Having said all that, Etoys is a special case here anyway, most of it is part of the core Sugar platform as a pre installed library (an rpm) that ships with all Sugar builds, the actual Activity is a fairly small Sugar UI wrapper that uses the underlying library to do almost all the actual work. I'm guessing from your description of the issue you see is that this may be some specific issue with graphics driver on your hardware. Do you have another machine you could test your Stick out on?

Regards,
--Gary

> So now we just use Terminal?
> OK by me. Will this allow me to erase eToys completely and then reinstall an
> earlier version, to investigate my first problem as above?
> 
> Peter
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