[Sugar-devel] [SoaS] SOAS-3: Final Activity List - Attention needed!

[Sean DALY]

Oh yes Tom I saw that - fabulous!

thanks

Sean


On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Thomas C Gilliard
<satellit at bendbroadband.com> wrote:
>
>
> Sean DALY wrote:
>
> No, the version numbers in the press releases were changes I proposed
> fom the existing numbering. So SoaS-1 became the beta-1, SoaS-2 became
> the v1. The objective was to make the numbers instantly
> understandable, and allow us to build omentum wth each release.
>
> Unfortunately, we can't do that with Mirabelle, since it is missing
> key e-book reading Activities we were promoting just six months ago.
> We need to be consistent. I have no doubt it's solid engineering, but
> It's unfortunately quite disconnected from our marketing strategy,
> which is why we should be on the same page when a major decision like
> removing all Activities needs to be taken.
>
> I'm at a loss how to proceed, probably the best approach is to
> position Mirabelle as a part of the Sugar Creation Kit and promote
> that.
>
> Sean
>
>
>
>
> Sean;
> With the availability of this file:
>
> http://people.sugarlabs.org/Tgillard/ASLOxo-2+ss.tar.bz2
>
> Description:
>
> ASLOxo-2+ss.tar.bz2 contains all of the latest versions of .xo Activities
>   on http://download.sugarlabs.org/activities/
>   Plus some downloaded from announcements on sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org
> and other sources.
>   There about 140 on it.
>
> * There is also included an Open Office.ods Spreadsheet of tested Activities
> on a  Mirabelle 501 USB
>
>   The spreadsheet is sorted in alphabetical order of application name for
> easy lookup of the activity number on this link.
>   Older versions of each application are also listed under the activity
> number on this site.
>   (These may be needed for older versions like sugar eg:0.82-0.86 and should
> be tested for compatabilty under these versions of sugar.)
>   The ASLO writeup on the features of each application are included when
> available.
>   I also added a column with quick comments/observations...
>   This Spreadsheet should act as an easy to use key to the activity.xo files
>
> This file will be included in the final version of SugarCreationKit.
> Any of these 140+ applications, that are marked as compatable, can be easily
> added to Mirabelle
> This includes at least 3 reading applications
>    GetBooks
>    Get IA Books
>    library
> I am attaching this spreadsheet for you to look at.
>
> **Can you market this as an Important New feature?**
>
> Mirabelle is analogous to an OS with core applications, that comes with many
> free applications in same Package that can be easily added for
> customization, with no need for Internet Access!
>
> With the SugarClone script by Frederick Grose , It is easy for a teacher to
> customize and duplicate repeatedly these customized USB sticks.
>
> Tom Gilliard
> satellit
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Sean,
>
> I would much rather we work together as well!
>
> Firstly your point "(SoaS-1 was beta-1, SoaS-2 was v1, etc.)" is a
> completely different point of view than your previous official press
> releases from SugarLabs [1] and [2]. I believe one of the major points
> of marketing is about consistency.
>
> To quote the first release "LinuxTag, Berlin, June 24, 2009: Sugar
> Labs™, nonprofit provider of the Sugar Learning Platform to over
> one-million children worldwide, announces the immediate availability
> of Sugar on a Stick v1 Strawberry." and the second "PARIS, December 8,
> 2009 — Netbook World Summit — Sugar Labs(R), volunteer-driven
> nonprofit provider of the Sugar Learning Platform for over one-million
> children around the world, announces the release of Sugar on a Stick
> v2 Blueberry."
>
> You are correct.... we all want "to make Sugar better known". The
> whole reason we have slimmed down the Activities is to make the
> included Activities stable so "Sugar could catch on quickly if robust"
> but I completely disagree with your "the new version won't fulfil the
> demo role". The whole point of the Activities chosen was to cover all
> the major features of Sugar in a group of Activities that is stable
> and works. As stated previously I and others think we are better off
> shipping a smaller selection of Activities that cover all main
> features of Sugar such as Collaboration and Media rather than 100s of
> Activities that don't work as expected, crash randomly or fail of
> different hardware. So what major features of Sugar have we missed in
> the list of included Activities?
>
> Given that there is not enough people doing QA and that I believe we
> are better off shipping a smaller stable base that demos the core
> features of Sugar. If we stop releasing official releases until we had
> the resources to make every Activity stable and tested we would never
> have released "Sugar on a Stick v1 Strawberry" or "Sugar on a Stick v2
> Blueberry" and by the time that happened for v3 people would have long
> since forgotten that SoaS even existed..... not what the ides of
> Marketing is about and we wouldn't be making "Sugar better known, to
> developers, to teachers, and to the industry (OEMs...)."
>
> Peter
>
> [1]
> http://www.sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=press&article=20090624&language=english#20090624
> [2]
> http://www.sugarlabs.org/index.php?template=press&article=20091208&language=english#20091208
>
> On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'd much rather we work together. Making Sugar and its Activities
> robust is a challenge and doing so on Sugar on a Stick even more. We
> have a resources problem that needs to be solved; part of the solution
> is to make Sugar better known, to developers, to teachers, and to the
> industry (OEMs...). It's a chicken-and-egg situation; Sugar could
> catch on quickly if robust, but that requires resources we don't have.
> But teachers, education buyers, journalists need to be able to see and
> touch Sugar, and for that they need a solution (the historical
> scarcity of XOs for reviewers has been part of OLPC's PR problem since
> the start). Sugar on a Stick has had that role. However, the new
> version (as well as it will fulfill a production role) won't fulfill
> the demo role. This creates a problem. The version numbers were
> marketing numbers (SoaS-1 was beta-1, SoaS-2 was v1, etc.) and
> appropriating the number for a version unsuitable for demoing Sugar
> means marketing can't work with it.
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:48 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi Sean,
>
> I'm so pleased that you think that all the hard work that Sebastian,
> myself and all the other Sugar developers that have put into the Sugar
> 0.88 release and associated SoaS release is so 0.5. and a whole lot
> less than previous releases. I think your choice is demeaning to the
> hard work that everyone does and without active testing of other
> Activities by other people it only hurts SoaS when things don't work
> because the release team are the only people that test stuff and
> aren't paid full time to do this.
>
> Peter
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 8:22 PM, Sean DALY <sdaly.be at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> As stated previously, it's a mistake for this release to be numbered v3.
>
> I won't be able to do anything with it.
>
> Sean
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Peter Robinson <pbrobinson at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> So as it stands the final Activity list that we're pushing for SOAS-3
> will be as below unless someone gives me reasonable doubt as to the
> release team's (Sebastian and myself) decision.
>
> So the final list is:
> - browse
> - physics
> - turtleart
> - irc
> - log
> - terminal
> - Record
> - Read
> - Write
> - Chat.
> - etoys
>
> In literally the last 10 minutes Sebastian and I have fixed the Write
> issue and over the last 2 weeks with the latest Record release and a
> number of fixes and testing I've got Record to what seems to be a
> stable and working release. The last of the changes should be in the
> daily build from tomorrow (including a fix from sdz for the lack of a
> boot screen).
>
> One thing to note is that other than sdz and I there has only been one
> other person test and report back on the builds (Thanks Thomas!) so if
> you haven't done so until now we are now on the home straight so
> please test. I don't want to here the day after release "Blah is
> broken" because someone hasn't taken 10 minutes to test the release, I
> will be less than impressed!
>
> For those who forget where they can get the daily build you can from this
> link.
> http://alt.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/nightly-composes/soas/
>
> Regards,
> The SoaS release team!
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