[Sugar-devel] [IAEP] Children want Sugar 0.84, for the wrong reason

[Edward Cherlin]

You might find Sugar on a Stick in Virtualbox OSE to be a better
development environment than an XO. I VirtualBox to test Sugar under
different Linux distributions, and to keep multiple versions around.
Install the Guest Additions, which let you mount a real drive that you
can use for file transfers, and get a character-mode file manager such
as Midnight Commander, plus your other favorite command-line tools.

On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 11:57, Chris Marshall <jns-cmarshall at comcast.net> wrote:
> On 3/14/2010 9:49 AM, Chris Marshall wrote:
>> On 3/14/2010 1:17 AM, Bernie Innocenti wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2010-03-13 at 20:50 +0000, Gary C Martin wrote:
>>>
>>>> It feels uncomfortable that Sugar 0.84 is already a year old effort
>>>> as of this week, from its official release, too far ahead of
>>>> deployments?
>>>
>>> It seems we should try to shorten our "time to market". Both Fedora and
>>> SoaS have been trailing Sugar releases quite well. Instead, OLPC appears
>>> to have frozen on Fedora 11 much too early.
>>
>>  From my G1G1 "deployment" point of view, the XO-1
>> seems stuck on Fedora 9 and os767 / os802. I've
>> been making do with the OS on an SD card and turning
>> off suspend/resume to avoid killing the SD card.
>>
>> The last I heard was that the suspend-resume SD card
>> killer bug may (or was it should or supposed to) be
>> fixed. I haven't gotten up the nerve to lose my whole
>> working environment just to see if it is fixed.
>>
>> Another problem I've had with the XO-1 and the Fedora
>> 9 release was that there was some packaging problem for
>> a dependency of LaTeX and many other document editing
>> type software that prevented installing LaTeX on the
>> XO-1. The bug was a known packaging problem but there
>> never was a new package released to correct the
>> dependency problems.
>>
>>
>>> One would think that a relatively fixed platform like the XO-1 could lag
>>> behind on hardware support without consequences, but users have the bad
>>> habit of demanding that a 3G modem purchased last week would work on a
>>> version of Fedora released one year ago. So you end up back-porting
>>> large pieces of Fedora 12--breaking who knows what else--while the udev
>>> maintainer asks you to keep him informed on your progress. So much for
>>> the good intentions of stability.
>>
>> I would be happy if the existing XO-1 hardware worked well
>> enough to upgrade the base release for my family's XO-1's,
>> including
>>
>> (1) sound
>> (2) video
>> (3) suspend/resume
>> (4) compatable Fedora release
>> (5) no SD card suspend/resume bug
>> (6) activity sharing
>> (7) current Sugar
>>
>> My thought was to come up the learning curve and to start
>> developing for the XO and Sugar learning platform. As is,
>> my current Sugar hardware platform at 0.82 and os767 or
>> os802 (with its glitches) prevents me from working on the
>> XO-1 without giving up all the above features which are
>> what I would like to program to.
>>
>> Another side effect is that even lurking on the mailing
>> lists is less helpful since I am unable to follow any of
>> the current discussions as related to the software on the
>> XO-1 and Sugar 0.82.
>>
>>> Not ideal, but still better than the current situation in which we start
>>> a school year with a version of Sugar released over one year ago.
>>
>> I continue to watch the efforts to get F11 on the XO-1
>> working up to the level of os767/os802 and so more
>> general release and usability. In the meantime, I plan
>> to take another look at the above issues, the current
>> status of the XO-1 support, and what I could do to move
>> things along for the G1G1 non-deployment.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chris
>>
>
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