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[Christian Marc Schmidt]

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On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Gary Martin <garycmartin at googlemail.com>wrote:

> On 9 Aug 2010, at 15:37, Christian Marc Schmidt <christianmarc at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>> (1) Can we reach consensus re spiraling in from the MAXIMUM radius
>> once the Ring is full or spiraling out from the MINIMUM radius once
>> the Ring is full?
>>
>
> I would say spiraling in from max radius. That way we can maximize the
> efficiency of the ring, before transitioning to the spiral.
>
>
> Oh well I guess I just got out voted (think max inwards looks ugly,
> backwards, unexpected for a spiral) ;)
>


Sorry, maybe I'm not fully clear on the behavior. I DO think that the spiral
should start from within and spiral out. In my last comment, I was more
thinking along the lines of first having the ring expand to max size, THEN
switching to spiral when more activities are added.

Gary, I thought your mockup looked great, where the spiral begins above the
XO and spirals out with enough padding between segments to not make it feel
too dense. I think we should do whatever we can to achieve this look.



>
> Walter, looking at your mockups I'd try to come up with an algorithm that
> gives us a looser spiral with more space between each segment of the spiral,
> more along the lines of what Gary mocked up. The screenshots on the wiki
> look very dense. Gary's mockup really proved to me that this can work!
>
>
> Yes, maybe that will help remove all the dead inner white space when using
> the max inward spiral.
>
>  (2) Is is OK to add an INTERMEDIATE icon size between STANDARD and SMALL?
>
> I'd even go further and suggest that we could have icons scale dynamically
> within the ring/spiral, to achieve maximum balance between the available
> space and icon legibility.
>
>
> FWIW I was testing Walters latest patch today and noted that the existing
> original ring code did much more with icon scaling than the current patch.
> In the low icon number count, icons start large and then gradually reduce in
> size before filling the minimum radius. Roughly the first 13 icons form the
> min radius ring are at their largest size, then up to about 19 icons the
> they slowly reduce in size down to the next preset standard, at which point
> the ring starts growing in radius. Once the radius hits max, I believe
> that's when the icons start to scale down further (not sure if this is a
> sudden size change to another small default or some gradual reduction).
>
> Walter, your latest patch does show a big visual jump once the large icons
> reach the maximum radius, as that point it triggers a large icon size step
> down and the ring goes from full height to about half height with on extra
> icon.
>
> Am I correct in assuming that the style.STANDARD_ICON_SIZE, MEDIUM, and
> SMALL are there to improve icon rendering/cache efficiency? I vaguely
> remember some pre-rendering to set sizes discussion/work some time back. Not
> sure if we mess that up by using arbitrary values?
>
>  My only concern here is that we'd need to find the right balance so as
> not to interrupt the general zoom metaphor, going from large to small icons
> (home to neighborhood). This means we probably need to put a cap on the
> bottom end of the scale, not allowing icons to become too small so that they
> could reach the size of icons in the groups view...
>
> All this will take lots of exploration I think before getting it right. I
> can work on mockups if that would help...
>
>
> I'd say apply the patch and/or tinker with the current code (it's a single
> file, and just one short method* that pretty much fits in one page of
> source), I found trying to layout icons accurately in a spiral for a mockup
> quite an art in itself ;)
>
> * _calculate_radius_and_icon_size is the method, and it's in
> /usr/lib/python2.6/site-packages/jarabe/desktop/favoriteslayout.py
>
>
>
>> (3) In regard to Q1, I could trigger the spiral before the Ring hits
>> the MAXIMUM radius, perhaps at MAXIMUM-icon_size? (I've not
>> illustrated this yet.)
>>
>
> Yes, I think that probably makes sense. We should play through all the
> possibilities and then make a decision based on what works best...
>
>
> I was looking into growing the ring up from the min radius (large icons) up
> to the half way point between max and min radius. Icons would then smoothly
> reduce to the next standard size down. The spiral would then trigger, and
> grow both outwards and inwards. Once max/min are reached, icons are then
> gradually down sized again to fit. Might just be easier/close enough to use
> the old ring code and trigger something close to Walter's v1 spiral code at
> the halfway between max and min radius.
>
> --Gary
>
>
>
>> -walter
>>
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