[Sugar-devel] Fwd: [Design] Revisiting Journal view

Frederick Grose fgrose at gmail.com
Tue Aug 3 13:06:05 EDT 2010

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Subject: Re: [support-gang] 10 things you should know about Sugar

From: *Martin Dengler* <martin at martindengler.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 5:30 AM
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On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 01:56:00AM -0400, Christoph Derndorfer wrote:
> Hi all,
> one of the things I started compiling during the olpc realness summit
> back in May was a list of "10 things you should know about Sugar". This
> is meant to help decide which aspects of Sugar to introduce first-time
> users, regardless of whether they're children or adults.
> (4) The four different Views, possibly combined with how to connect to a
> network

Not sure what your four views are; according to the HIG, the fourth
"view" is the activity view ("Zoom metaphor"[1]).  I think the
Journal[2] is a further "Zoom level" and argue for this in tickets
dlo.6251[3] and slo.1518[4].

Please add comments to these bugs if anyone feels strongly about this:



says " The Journal's primary function [is to be] a time-based view of
a child's activities [...]"
3. http://dev.laptop.org/ticket/6251
4. http://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1518

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From: *Mikus Grinbergs* <mikus at bga.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 8:55 AM
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Martin is revisiting whether 'Journal' should be considered a "View".

I think how 'My Settings' is considered should also be revisited.  My
problem is that occasionally, due to some situation (which I myself
might have caused), I am unable to bring up Home Circle View.  Then, if
I need to change a 'My Settings' parameter, I can at best reboot - in
the hope that that will let me access 'My Settings' again.

I have the feeling that in tomorrow's versions there is an intent to
move control parameters out of 'My Settings' into the toolbar of the
Activity affected by that setting.  While that solves the problem of
"easy access to a setting from an Activity", it results in dispersing
discovery of "What things in the system can the user change?".  I myself
favor the centralizing of "control knobs", instead of dispersing them.

But yes, there is a need for easy access to those "control knobs".  Now
that (as a result of the High School keyboard) resources such as Journal
(for which there were dedicated keys on the membrane keyboard) are being
assigned to existing "Function Keys", I would like to see 'My Settings'
also be considered a "View", and be assigned its own invocation key.

Thanks,  mikus

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From: *Gary Martin* <garycmartin at googlemail.com>
Date: Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 9:45 AM
To: "mikus at bga.com" <mikus at bga.com>
Cc: Devel <devel at lists.laptop.org>, "sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org" <
sugar-devel at lists.sugarlabs.org>, "Community Support Volunteers -- who help
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Hi Mikus,
FWIW, the settings CP dialogue can be accessed from any of your own buddy
icons (since Sugar 0.84 I think). So that's from the usual large home XO,
your group XO, your neighbourhood XO, or your XO in the right frame.

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