[Sugar-devel] Modern Linux trends (was: Re: [PATCH] use ConsoleKit instead of HAL for)

Sascha Silbe sascha-ml-ui-sugar-devel at silbe.org
Mon Apr 26 05:51:50 EDT 2010

On Sun, Apr 25, 2010 at 06:54:13PM -0400, C. Scott Ananian wrote:

> I am failing to resist responding to this troll.
I'm rather puzzled why you are resorting to personal attacks on me; I've 
had a rather high opinion of you up to now.
I'll try an objective answer nevertheless.

> Dbus access from the command line is fairly good,
It's correct that one can do DBus calls from the shell. Whether that 
capability works fairly well I cannot judge; every time I need DBus I 
use python because I find it more comfortable than dbus-send.
That wasn't the point, though: I'm not asking for _API_ access to 
NetworkManager (I already got that using python), but for a CLI _tool_ 
to use as an _administrator_ or _user_, not as a developer.

> and NM supports a number of static data files for configuration if 
> that's what you want yo do.
What I want to be able to do is exactly the same I can do using 
As for the static config files, I considered that in the past, but 
failed because I couldn't find any documentation locally (and didn't 
have internet access because that was exactly what I was trying to set 
up on the only laptop I had with me). Even now I find the documentation 
[1] to be rather lacking. I'm referred to the settings specification [2] 
for finding out what settings I need to supply; the specification lists 
139 keys in 15 settings. It would take me hours to figure out how to 
connect to a bog-standard WPA2 access point this way.
You seem to have experience using these files: would they work the same 
way using system connections with nm-applet would do? I.e. can I still 
change location and have NetworkManager connect automatically to 
available networks? Will Sugar still be able to show all available 
networks and let me pick them?

> Learn the new tools,
I'm trying to, but...
> you'll like them.
so far I'm getting quite frustrated every time I try, wasting countless 
hours trying to accomplishing something that would have taken me mere 
minutes before. A normal user would be totally out of luck.

> Arguing from the stuck-in-the-mud old fart perspective may be fun, but 
> it's not constructive.
It's certainly no fun being stuck in the mud. Since I don't have enough 
time to fix all upstream components myself, filing bugs and making 
others aware of the issues is the most constructive I can get.
FWIW, I'm even planning to enhance Sugar [3] so I can run nm-applet, 
just to be able to _configure_ NetworkManager.

[1] http://live.gnome.org/NetworkManager/SystemSettings
[3] https://bugs.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1886

CU Sascha

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