[Sugar-devel] [Zero-install-devel] Summary of the chat on #sugar-meeting

[Tomeu Vizoso]

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 21:27, Michael Stone <michael at laptop.org> wrote:
> Dear z-i folks and sugar folks,
>
> Three members of the 0install.net community [1] met with several members
> of the Sugar community [2] yesterday to exchange knowledge and, in the
> case of the Sugar folks, to learn more about z-i and whether it might be
> a good fit for use in Sugar activity installation.

Hey, this is great stuff, thanks all and look forward for the next steps.

Regards,

Tomeu

> After the meeting, Thomas wrote up a great set of notes (mostly
> describing his answers to Ben's questions) here:
>
>   http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.file-systems.zero-install.devel/2776
>
> Please peruse this QnA if you'd like to know what was discussed and
> please follow up with someone who seems approachable if you develop new
> questions as a result of reading.
>
> Next, it seems that several of the z-i participants decided after our
> meeting to try out Sugar (on a variety of platforms) and to share their
> experiences in replies to the z-i-d thread I mentioned above.
>
> Therefore, for your convenience, I have collected a few of their notable
> remarks in the sequel of this email. Please read through them and
> respond if you feel so moved.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Michael
>
> P.S. - Eben and Sebastian: you are both personally CC'ed since I saw
> several experience reports that looked like they would be of specific
> interest to each of you.
>
> P.P.S. - Ben and Rubén: you are CC'ed because you both mentioned to me
> after the meeting that you found it useful for solidifying your
> perspective on the relevance of technology like z-i to Sugar. Could you
> each please reply with a summary of what you learned?
>
> [1]: The z-i folks: Anders [afb], Rene [rsl], and Thomas [talex]
> [2]: The sugar folks: Bernie [bernie], Sebastian [sdziallas],
>      Ben [bemasc], Aleksey [alsroot], Rubén [quidam] and myself
>
> Now for the experience reports:
>
> Anders F Björklund wrote:
>> I tried to use the Ubuntu 9.04 version of Sugar, but it seems like
>> it has some problems (wouldn't even start) and trying to use the PPA
>> version seems to have messed up the whole system (so had to revert)
>
>> Eventually I went with Fedora "Sugar on a Stick" (strawberry flavor),
>> but we couldn't really make sense of it in the default boot setting
>> with the black-and-white icons and all the small help text in english.
>
>> Will try to look for some better testing instructions, but so far
>> it has stumped both adult and child trying to run it on the Netbook.
>> (Couldn't even figure out how to turn it off, so had to hard-power.)
>
> --------------
>
> Thomas Leonard wrote:
>> Typing "halt" in the "Terminal" activity worked for me :-/
>
> --------------
>
> Rene Lopez wrote:
>> The version that worked right for me was 0.86 (Debian unstable) and it's
>> configured to work inside xephyr. I also didn't understood how it works
>> but so far this is what I have found:
>> * The X symbol represents you and your computer to shut it down right
>> click it and a menu should appear.
>
>> * The symbols that are around the X are the favorite Activities, left
>> click will open them.
>
>> * The small symbol under the X is the last used open activity.
>
>> * To switch applications you move the pointer to a corner and a frame
>> should appear.
>
>> * And finally if your computer only has a one button mouse you can leave
>> the button pressed to get the same behavior as the right click.
>
> --------------
>
> Anders F Björklund wrote:
>> So I guess my experience with Sugar was similar to their experience
>> with Zero Install and trying to run the old Subversion feed etc...
>> But it seems less than smooth (chunky?) with Ubuntu 9.04 or Fedora 11.
>
> --------------
>
> Rene Lopez wrote:
>> I think that the problem is that their target users have a teacher to
>> explain how to use it and the teacher has a printed manual so it's not
>> hard to them but for an outsider it will be very different to anything
>> that you have used and it doesn't self document making it somewhat
>> frustrating.
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