[Sugar-devel] FW: Tutorius Meeting minutes - 2009/11/19
jtis4stx at hotmail.com
Wed Nov 25 13:30:21 EST 2009
Juj>>Just wanted to mention my admiration for the Tutorious team: they have
>>pushed forward a big feature that affects shell and activities, have
>>set up their instance of AMO for tutorials, have pinged periodically
>>the community for feedback, have made a spin of SoaS so others can
>>more easily test their work, have contacted the testing team at NZ for
>>feedback, etc. And not because that's a lot of work, but because it's
>>the _right_ work to do.
>>Kudos to them and whoever is mentoring!
Myself and Gerald Ardito had a Skype meeting with Erick Lavoie and Michael Montclam from the Tutorius Project last
Thursday Nov. 19th, the notes from that session are below. Since the comments/suggestions from Gerald and
I are U.S. based, I am in the process of trying to set up a second meeting between Tutorious and Enhanced Learning
Strategy-Ron Canuel had a Team that went down to Uruguay recently and visited 18 schools. This will give the Tutorius Team
an additional view to incorporate into the project and allow for the internationalization of Tutorious, which is one of their
They are due to finalize the Project and give a Final Presentation in early December to complete this class project. They
have indicated an interest to merge Tutorius ability into Sugar when it is at a stable state. I indicated to them I would
reach out to the Sugar Developer community-Tomeu,Walter, and others to see if there can be some joint planning or conversations
that would lead to this possibilty. Please let me know how we can proceed on this front.
I look forward to trying to facilitate these initiatives, which I believe will be very valuable for students, teachers, and activity developers alike.
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:17:23 +0000
Subject: Meeting minute - 2009/11/19
From: michael.jmontcalm at gmail.com
To: jtis4stx at hotmail.com; gerald.ardito at gmail.com
Here are the notes for today's meeting. Feel free to add precisions and comments if anything was missed.
You can access the document right here : https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AVT_nzmWT2B2ZGN3dDd2MzRfNTF0dzMyNGdnag&hl=en
Thank you for your time and the great ideas!
Meeting minute 2009/11//19
Attendees : John
5 XO classrooms since January in middle school
Doctoral thesis on Sugar
Focus on curricular needs with teachers
Ex : Using etoys to do an interactive story book
Pre-testing with Test Team students in class, then attempting with the whole class
Works really well and adds much more depth to the teaching
Gerald's view of Tutorius
Offer assistance on learning the platform (journal, using write activity, etc...)
Using the platform is one of the hurdles to getting the most out of activities
To have Tutorius to walk them through those skills would be incredibly useful
Tutorius would be immediately useful in teaching the basic Sugar skills
But not so much for the specifics of the activity
It would be great to have tutorials on how to do tutorials
How can we deploy Tutorius on the XOs?
Is it an activity? Can it be easily installed?
No, it's a direct integration with the Sugar OS
Questions from John
What are the details for the merging?
Tutorius would need to stabilize its code base
The activities are not all consistent (e.g. save_state function)
A screencast utility for Sugar
Make a tutorial inside a screencast
Dump the screencast on the web
Point the students to the web
Gerald is concerned on application on the XO
Re-flashing the XOs is not hard but would wipe all data
Could we have an automatic upload to YouTube?
The XO is a great computer for kids because of its form factor
It is slower, but the kids relate to the device differently
Akin to the way they use their iPhones and MP3 players
Re-flashing would be ok, providing a way to save data and restore it
A screencast would be a backup plan
What does a tutorial adds to a screencast?
Gerald : Having a label is for actions is great information
The important first step is to get a screencast tool out there with Tutorius
John : Short term is more important than long term
Erick's question :
Is internationalization important? We could offer it in an easy way or a complete support.
John : Support for this would be awesome, but sounds a bit more on the long term approach.
Walter and Tomeu could point us better
Error case support : if students click on the wrong button, how do we address this?
Gerald : We could inspire ourselves from an Adobe product that does interactive screencast? Adobe Captivé
Sharing : we have a basic, non-secure prototype. We do not have a full-fledged sharing platform.
There are no really good way to share things in Sugar yet.
You can collaborate, but you cannot share products easily.
Let's loop in with the Sugar devs.
Major hurdles when training people?
Some teachers do not possess the basic tutorial skills
People are very good at what they do regularly (email, downloading music, etc...)
Not everyone was taught to think in general principles, or extrapolate skills
The major hurdle is that most people use Windows and find themselves lost inside Sugar, because it's not the most consistent UI.
The focus for the first version
would be on
How to open an activity
How to close an activity
How to use the clipboard
Gerald would suggest
Walk through the 4 views (neighborhood, friend, home, activity)
Explain the journal
This scenario would really empower the user
Érick mentions that our initial focus was to let the users interact with the buttons, but we could provide a non-interactive tour of the system
John says that we could show a screencast of the tour on a day, then 3 days later have them execute the interactive version on their machines
John suggests that we could also show TurtleArt
Gerald mentions that there already exists YouTube videos of turtleArt usage, as opposed to the other activities
It would be in the list of the next
View of Tutorius
Érick explains that our teachers warned us that explaining the validity of Sugar as a learning tool would be really hard
Gerald mentions that the goal
Gerald says that it would require to take two classes, have one with Tutorius and another without, and prove that the former learns faster
How do students interact with each other when students are involved with technologies like Sugar?
Traditionnal method does not work well; viral methods are extremely efficient
What happens when the students don't know to do something?
Students should become more persistent in solving problems
At the very least, they become more social and have more initiative when learning
Tutorius could do testing locally with Ron Canuel in Magog, Québec
It would be important for Tutorius to keep in touch with other developers and actors in the Sugar project to keep the international perspective
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