[Sugar-devel] ideal flash activity to be remade as karma activity
Bryan Berry
bryan at olenepal.org
Fri Mar 27 05:07:52 EDT 2009
Though, my reformulation here kind of sticks Subzero w/ the more
organizational, framework-related problems and lets Lucian focus on the
harder technical problems. I am not sure how Subzero feels about that.
He may be attracted more to the hard technical dbus problem although, it
is my personal feeling that the framework is more important - esp. i8n
and integration w/ Pootle! :)
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 13:53 +0545, Bryan Berry wrote:
> I agree w/ Wade that this could be difficult to coordinate. I would
> rather see two complementary projects.
>
> 3 months is a very short period to bring not only 2 but 4 people to work
> together across multiple time zones.
>
> I would rather try titanium than xulrunner simply because I have the
> vague perception that webkit is significantly faster than gecko. I don't
> have any empirical evidence regarding this.
>
> I would rather that subzero focus on the framework, i.e.:
>
> * animating w/ javascript and html5, in a way that is very
> straightforward and reproducible
> * integrating audio into it
> * making a structure for internationalization that is nicely compatible
> w/ pootle
> * nice integration w/ the journal.
> * Nice way to integrate teacher's note and lesson plan, ideally w/ plain
> html rather than a pdf or other nasty proprietary format
>
> teacher's note - what kids should get out of this lesson, what problems
> they might encounter and how to help them out and lesson plan - how to
> manage 35+ to accomplish something in 50 minutes.
>
> So the above list might be more than enough for one GSoC project w/out
> adding in the collaboration
>
> So what do u think wadeb and subzero?
>
> On Thu, 2009-03-26 at 13:50 -0400, Wade Brainerd wrote:
> > I've suggested something similar in past years, but Google prefers to
> > avoid students projects working together at all. This includes
> > working together on projects, or having dependencies on the results of
> > other projects.
> >
> >
> > There is a significant failure rate for GSoC projects and it's not
> > fair for one student's success to be dependent on the work of another.
> >
> >
> > If the projects can be made to work 100% independently and yet still
> > complement each other, then we are good.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Wade
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Lucian Branescu
> > <lucian.branescu at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello, I have this proposal
> > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Webified_Toolkit
> >
> > I've had a chat with mchua and homunq on #sugar, and here's an
> > interesting idea
> > "homunq: if you'd need some limited common foundation, but
> > most of
> > your work would then be separate and compatible, you could
> > both
> > schedule the foundation work in the first couple weeks, then
> > say "we
> > will then choose whose version of the foundation to
> > standardize on"
> >
> > We would both need Gears and some sort of javascript-dbus
> > bridge.
> > Gears should be just a plugin and javascript-dbus could be
> > done
> > through this
> > http://sandbox.movial.com/wiki/index.php/Browser_DBus_Bridge.
> >
> > Then subzero could focus on the 'framework to build sugar
> > activities
> > with web technologies' part and I could focus on the 'getting
> > web apps
> > like gmail running nicely on sugar'.
> >
> > There's also the choice between webkit/titanium and
> > gecko/xulrunner/hulahop. I think it would be better to use
> > xulrunner,
> > since it's already a Sugar dependency. It shouldn't be
> > significantly
> > slower, but we should do some testing anyway.
> >
> > What do you all think?
> >
> > 2009/3/26 Wade Brainerd <wadetb at gmail.com>:
> > > Just to be clear, this is a perfectly normal part of the
> > GSoC application
> > > process. Last year with OLPC I had to choose between like 6
> > different
> > > Typing Turtle applications, several of which were quite
> > good. And in the
> > > end, none of them was funded by Google.
> > > So, we'll analyze your designs, schedules, resumes, related
> > projects,
> > > potential for future contribution to the project, etc. and
> > choose the best
> > > one to attempt to have funded.
> > > That said, getting a head start on the project and getting
> > involved in the
> > > community are great ways to ensure success. Check
> > > out http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Print_Support for an
> > example of an
> > > applicant who has written test programs, had his ideas
> > evaluated several
> > > times on the mailing list, laid out a fairly clear technical
> > design, etc.
> > > Keep in mind that we have no idea how many students we'll
> > get from Google.
> > > So you are not only competing against those who submit a
> > proposal for the
> > > same idea, you are competing against all the other project
> > ideas as well.
> > > Best,
> > > Wade
> > >
> > > 2009/3/26 Jameson Quinn <jameson.quinn at gmail.com>
> > >>
> > >> Subzero, you have competition.
> > >>
> > >> Lucian, you should check out the mailing list threads for
> > talk between
> > >> Bryan and Felipe; they are talking about much the same
> > ideas you are.
> > >>
> > >> Bryan, you should include Lucian in your forwards.
> > >>
> > >> This is not intended to endorse either Lucian or Subzero.
> > This is one of
> > >> our highest-priority projects for GSoC, and it is even
> > conceivable that we
> > >> could even accept both of your proposals, to be attempted
> > independently.
> > >> Both of you, feel free to take ideas from each other's
> > proposals, but
> > >> remember, we're assuming that you are doing that, and we'd
> > like to see you
> > >> give fair attribution. You're also both welcome to submit a
> > backup proposal
> > >> on another idea, either from the ideas list or of your own
> > invention; it
> > >> seems clear that you are both good applicants, and having a
> > backup proposal
> > >> will help us do you both justice in case you both make the
> > cut. We will not
> > >> let the presence or absence of backup proposals bias us in
> > which one of you
> > >> we choose to do the Karma idea.
> > >>
> > >> Good luck, may the best proposal win!
> > >>
> > >> Jameson
> > >>
> > >> 2009/3/24 Bryan Berry <bryan at olenepal.org>
> > >>>
> > >>> http://hg.olenepal.org/6_Maths_CoOrdinates_22_swf/
> > >>>
> > >>> Subzero, I think this might be a great flash activity to
> > redo for Karma.
> > >>> Let me know if you have trouble running it on your regular
> > machine. It
> > >>> is in Nepali but I think you will be able to figure it
> > out. I really
> > >>> like how it demonstrates the concepts of coordinates and
> > lets kids play
> > >>> w/ those concepts.
> > >>>
> > >>> You can also download our latest stable monster E-Paath
> > bundle from here
> > >>> (224 MB)
> > >>>
> > >>> http://dev.olenepal.org/E-Paath-2/STABLE/
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Bryan W. Berry
> > >>> Technology Director
> > >>> OLE Nepal, http://www.olenepal.org
> > >>>
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